Height difference; avoid, open embrace, or some other strategy?

Hi,
In addition to this question, may I ask if there is any strategy to dance with a more weight follower? (I am a leader but I am only 53kg...)

the follower should respond to your intent. it is not wrestling
... but some dance close embrace with apilado. :cool:
Almost all steps still work great, but avoid colgadas, volcadas, sentadas, and aerial moves.

Or to be more concrete - remember that apilado and colgadas and vlocadas are not actually about the "lean", but they are shared axis moves/movement principles that are based on counterbalance. The relative off-axisness depends on the ratio of the weight of the people in the couple. There are both followers and leaders who try to generate a specific look in apilado/in these moves without actually feeling where the balance points are (and often the look they imagine is based on a couple where the leader is much much heavier than the follower) and then they have the leader to basically carry the follower using strength instead of the leader using the counterbalance as much as the follower does. If you meet a follower like this it is going to be difficult if you are lighter (but it is not actually pleasant if you are heavier either - as somebody who strongly prefers to dance apilado i spend a surprising amount of time to get followers into open embrace because they try to get me to carry them around instead of using their structure to support me/our shared axis - i have more fun dancing seperate axis than "shared axis" where it really is "follower gives up axis and uses the leaders axis" (i have no idea who teaches this technique, but i quite dislike it (and it is one of the few things where i am convinced that it is not a stylistic choice, but fundamentally unsound technique)) .
So all shared axis work is based on counterbalance - if you are lighter you will have to lean more while the heavier follower will have to lean less compared to when the ratio of weights is different. Don't try to use strenght to offset this - while it is possible it will hurt on the long (and even the short run), and won't work as well as counterbalancing. Don't try to achieve a certain outward look in e.g. a volcada - the move is not in the angle of the follower, but in the counterbalance. E.g. (completely made up numbers) if you see something where the follower is at 30 degrees, and the leader at a (mostly invisible) 15 degrees angle off the vertical, and the leader is twice as heavy as the follower then if a couple where the leader is half the weight of the follower were to do the same move either the _leader_ has to go to 30 degrees, and the follower will be at 15 degrees (i would not recommend this - _a lot_ of follwers have not a lot of experience with that situation and freak out, even if the actual vocabulary/technique is the same it feels different), or the angle of the follwer has to be only 7 degrees off the vertical while the leader is 15 degrees off to keep the same balance (which i view as actually more different from the original, but it feels more the same - i think because it looks less like the leader is off balance it is more reassuring for the follower).
I would recommend practicing shared axis work with as many different weights and heights as possible and develop a feeling for the counterbalancing point.
 
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..may I ask if there is any strategy to dance with a more weight follower?
Being honest,nagamiki (and at the risk of making myself unpopular)
my strategy is not to dance with them.
It would always be a challenge for my pectoral girdle and I would have to concentrate on the surrounding shoulder musculatur all the time. These costs are simply too high, and thus I restrict to the gazelle type of followers.
 
I would recommend practicing shared axis work with as many different weights and heights as possible and develop a feeling for the counterbalancing point.
I think you're totally right. For me - dancing in close embrace with slight apilado - is a weight difference much easier to handle than a height difference. But of cause, the first might require at least a healty body.
 
Hello again. So, basically 6 months on and I'm doing better. Still not 100% sold on AT, but I'm keeping on with it for now!
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I want to share what Elba Biscay, a milonguera in BsAs, said during a tv program "Codigos de Milonga" (2006): You must love the music before you can dance it.

If you aren't listening to tango at least 8 hours a day, you'll never know it and then love it. That may be why you're not "sold" on tango. You haven't made a commitment to her yet, and don't know what she has to offer.

 
Oh, I listen to plenty of Tango (not 8 hours a day, but at least every day, certainly — I like other types of music too and I'm not willing to be monogamous to Tango!)

But that feeling of being overwhelmed trying to maintain frame, connection, balance for yourself and leading a partner whilst trying to improvise with the music, and navigate the dancefloor without bumping into other couples, and doing all that in a way which is pleasant for the person you're dancing with? Well, that's _very_ stressful for me and takes me "out" of a sense of enjoyment, no matter how much I love listening to the music sitting down. And then that means I can start to lose focus and connection and that makes everything worse and so on. And then I get dispirited. And I have to drag myself to keep on going back, hoping each time I get a little less terrible :)

But there _are_ moments — usually when the dance floor is almost empty and all I'm doing is basically walking and ochos and we have great connection — when it does feel amazing. But then something happens, and it goes wrong, and after 10 seconds of joy I have to somehow stumble through the other 8 minutes of the tanda, lest I offend.
 
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Nito Garcia asked his students how many hours they listened to tango music each day. He knew by their answer how committed they were to dancing.
 
Nito Garcia asked his students how many hours they listened to tango music each day. He knew by their answer how committed they were to dancing.
OK, but 8 hours a day is a lot of time to spend listening to any kind of music. Not really feasible for most people, either.
 
If you aren't listening to tango at least 8 hours a day, you'll never know it and then love it. That may be why you're not "sold" on tango. You haven't made a commitment to her yet, and don't know what she has to offer.
Like a teenage girl which tells me that I "must" commit to spend a full summer at an open air swimming pool to get decent high board diver. :cool:

Do I tell a milonguero that a commited dancer should train his body, not drink wine at least before dancing and keep is body mass index in a proper range?
 
Like a teenage girl which tells me that I "must" commit to spend a full summer at an open air swimming pool to get decent high board diver. :cool:

Do I tell a milonguero that a commited dancer should train his body, not drink wine at least before dancing and keep is body mass index in a proper range?

May I ask what is the definition of the proper range of body mass index as a milonguero?
 
It's just like with the hours you've to spend listening tango music - select a realm and a value where you will shine. I do deliberately select the realm BMI and a value between - where is my calculator - 20 and 24. :dancingbanana:
 
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OK, but 8 hours a day is a lot of time to spend listening to any kind of music. Not really feasible for most people, either.

If you love tango music and want to dance, you'll dedicate yourself to it. It does make a difference in how one dances.
 

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