How Are Your Lessons Going? Thread 3

PNP,
I love that spiral.

New Young Guy tried a "new way" of discussing movement which was interesting. And it helped me "get" something-- even though he had said something only half right (and which applied to the swinging leg.) But it really helped me "get" and pay more attention to the standing leg. (You know... the one should have your weight on? ) He used the word "traction". Not going to explain further....
We actually ended up with a LONG text in which we went back and forth translating "what is happening physically" in what would be "simplified" dance, getting down to just walking. Anyway, he'd had a discussion with a colleague who had concluded Newton's laws didn't apply in dancing!!!

And he knew the other guys was saying *some things* that were correct-- and other things that must not be! Because even though New Young Guy hasn't had much physics and whatever he took in high school was long long ago, he knew there couldn't be a "dancing" exception to Newton's laws!

Anyway... he gave his version of what the other guys said which seemed to be...."We want to move at constant velocity so we can't accelerate" ..... Which is true as far as it goes. (We sometimes want to move at costant speed in a straight line and if literraly did exactly that, we could not accelerate.)

And yet, New Young Guy knew his coach had a goal of "moving in a straight line at constant speed", but also told him "you need to accelerate in a certain point". So what gives? I ended up discussing approximations (the constant speed goal), the fact that we have two legs -- we aren't sleds or trains-- and ....


The discussion ended up with "cartoons" of situations like the ones below. (The horizontal line is "the goal" of constant forward velocity-- i.e. constant speed in a straight line.) The wiggly line is the cartoon of "closer to what really happens" -- small oscillations around constant. Seems constant.. but it's not... Then the cartoon of the foot shows a position when that food could cause force that accelerates.
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There was a bunch of discussion of leg/ foot position, weight and so on... (by me) ending with " The acceleration is biggest when the slope is greatest."
and then him

"Yes from the beginning of down swing ". So he could see that his notion that Newton's laws must apply was not wrong. But he could see how someone would get confused about this.

Anyway, given the conversations he's having, he seemed glad to have a discussion of this issue that involved understanding the physics of dancing (or even just walking) is complicated because we have two legs-- we aren't trains. And also why certain things have to happen at these points. (Heck... it's also complicated by the fact that our bones aren't connected by pins, and have muscles attached... yada, yada... but...)

One of the best lines from New Young Guy in the middle of the long text was "I also can see why I should never get into any discussions about this. Because you need to really consider the 2 legs situation " ( I think either when trying to actually dance, and/or with people who aren't used to thinking more specifically about physics.)
Of course WE continued texting... and discussed

What positions and weights are "bad" during certain point in dancing -- from a physics point of view. (My cartoon -- see next, my paragraph discussion about why situation in cartoon is counter productive from physics pov, followed by him.... "Correct that’s why we aim for delaying the heel lead".) FootClunk.png

He knew the "what we want to do", and some consequence you can observe while daicing. But I know the "from a physics pov, doing this slows us down because of blah... blah... ... prevents us from moving forward )" I could show "forces", associated with shin angle/ foot position , etc. (All oversimplified....)

But we both agree this type of is not something you can do in a lesson-- and should usually avoided.

But every now and then it helps -- and in the "spiral" fashion. He only wondered about it because he's getting into doing things and having coaches explain "why"-- but not quite getting "the physics". Oddly, for me, it helped because it gave me more "a ha... yeah, I really need to keep weight on the "standing/power" leg. But it might not help any one else. Normal people can just observe that putting weight that way results in a better outcome..... )

It was sort of a 'spiral' for both of us!
 
I know many of you can empathize with this. First couple lessons after a long, unplanned and physically stressful enforced break. Doing normal day-to-day activities, I could tell my health had taken a toll, so I was very nervous about returning to any lessons. I decided not to try any group lessons right now because I don't have any real input/control into the pace of the lessons, and I don't want to risk injury or even mental frustration. Instead, I had a couple privates. My Pro is obviously aware of the break, but also generally of what was behind it. They went better than I expected, I think because he'd turn on a dime if I needed a break/change, and in any case, he's always attuned to what's working well and what's not. But it's going to be a slow process back (and I suspect not constantly, linearly improving).

Emotionally though, it was so, so nice to get back. Huge win for that. We went through all my dances just to refresh, and there are some mental glitches, but memory was better than I expected. Latin was a little worse than Standard in that regard. But with the exception of Cha Cha, not bad. Physically, I don't have stamina, which wasn't a surprise, but also I lost some muscle control. We tried some basics, but some movements I'd been doing well for years are just.... gone. They've got to be in there somewhere, but I cannot tap them right now.

I'll be working with my doctor and PT, who'll be driving a lot of the general plan/timing. I also am hoping to incorporate a registered dietician as part of the plan to get any edge I can. The rest of this month will be easier lessons, a lot of walking, some light weights, (plus the holidays) and I'll reassess with doctor in early January. But at least I'm now heading up and seem to have stopped the downward plummet.
 
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I got new slightly shorter shoes and tried them out in lesson for first time today….teacher said my balance is definitely better and throw away old shoes ☺️. Working on foot shaping + hip pendulum and overall actions and positioning in rumba. And body action in rumba/cha walks
Shorter shoes in Latin at least are usually the way to go!
 
Yeah, that 0.25 inch really made a difference for me (went from 2.5 to 2.25 in latin). I'm convinced it's cuz I have small feet. Too bad 2.25 inch heels are a bit hard to come by.
Ohhhhhh - you meant shorter heel height. I thought you meant shorter length from heel to toe, because a lot of Latin & rhythm dancers like to have the tips of their toes extend past the end of the shoes.
 
Yeah, that 0.25 inch really made a difference for me (went from 2.5 to 2.25 in latin). I'm convinced it's cuz I have small feet. Too bad 2.25 inch heels are a bit hard to come by.
I thought you meant shorter sole, too :)! BUT, you are absolutely right about heel height being an issue with small feet. I have small feet and cannot dance at all in 3 inches, not at all. I prefer 2.25, like you, and put up with the 2.5. That's because if you have long feet you can maintain foot contact and pressure with higher heels, but you lose that with short feet. There are three things I would change about my body if I had a magic wand, and one if them is having longer (and more flexible) feet, precisely because of this issue.

(Weird, all three things I would change relate to dancing. I should post this under the "you know you are obsessed with dancing because..." thread :)).
 
As a result of life I haven't had a lesson with my instructor since our showcase thing. I did take a "substitute" lesson this week with the newest instructor at the studio. I have taken several group lessons with this instructor, so I have a general idea of her teaching style. She likes to be asked questions and usually delivers information in an understandable manner.

My Achilles heel is staying in time. The entire lesson was dedicated to timing. It was determined that I can find the timing and know the timing for various dances (I'd hope so at this point). Her diagnosis for why I get out of time is because I need more to do instead of just going to the next step. So more hips, more body, more everything to put some Led in my shoes (Zeppelin reference for the uninitiated). To my surprise, because she is known to be fairly blunt, she did comment that I was a good dancer and I am the only male student she trusts to give correct answers to other students questions. I told her I do what I can to stay in my lane and defer to instructors.

Overall it was a productive. There is still only so much I can get from a 1 off lesson like this. I get to hear explanations put a different way. With her she is demanding and quite critical of everyone (instructors included). It is useful to get her perspective and gives me more insight into the evolution of my dancing journey.
 
Had a good lesson working waltz and cha cha. I got a better understanding of using the head to work in opposition to your partner (I’m almost definitely using the wrong term for this). Last time we did waltz we spent most of time time working on weight transfer in underarm turns and he didn’t comment on it this week so I’m going to assume it’s fine for now. Also spent a lot of time (for what it is) working on the spin out and bow.

We did get through the cha cha choreography and I have no lessons the next two weeks so I should have plenty of time to learn it. I also found out that I had been been practicing back locksteps completely wrong and adding some kind of extra twist. The correct way feels way better (imagine that! better technique feels better!).

I also found out for sure that I’m his only student in my age category which will be nice for comps.
 
Lessons last week were interesting. I was feeling tentatively optimistic about the upcoming smooth Fun Friday next month, so I suggested to Pro on Tuesday that we try (again) doing a little silver foxtrot, in case we want to do a couple heats of that in addition to waltz & VW. He agreed. It did not go as well as I’d hoped; but I acknowledge that’s mainly because I have unrealistic expectations of myself (nothing new there). I’m just sayin, it would be nice if all the new technique I’ve been learning in waltz would just magically apply over into foxtrot….

Thursday we returned to waltz and Viennese waltz. He showed me a new pattern in VW which is not in the syllabus, nor in the studio’s scheduled teaching program, but he likes it because it is “very dynamic.” Dude! No kidding! When Pro says something is “dynamic,” it’s generally accurate to translate that as, “I’m now going to imitate the Tasmanian devil from the Bugs Bunny cartoon, so hold on tight.”

How is it that waltz and foxtrot are so totally different? (They *can* look the same; I mean, it’s possible to watch a video of a couple dancing, and if you have the sound turned off, you can’t always tell if they’re dancing waltz or foxtrot. But that usually means they’re not doing a good job.) Such different timing, different leg & foot movement, different amounts of rise & fall and swing & sway, snappier head and arm movements - sheesh. No wonder all that great new stuff I’ve been learning in waltz doesn’t automatically carry over. Most of it is still applicable, but it’s executed (or should be executed) very differently. And I get so caught up trying to remember all the differences that I forget to pay attention to the other stuff.

Pro is increasingly less forgiving of my tendencies to (1) loosen my frame and (2) cross his centerline. (I’m considering getting a device that I can stick inside my ear that will constantly shout, “stay left! Stay left! Frame! Head! Elbow! Stay left!” over and over during my lessons.) And he keeps raising his expectations of my ability to stay with him when he supercharges the power behind his movement (which he does more and more frequently these days). I like being challenged, but sometimes it’s frustrating when I’m still in the early stages of learning something new, because I can’t simultaneously learn a new thing AND keep up with his energy.

Yet.
 

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