I started Latin dancing because I wanted to be able to dance like this

There are no Cuban roots. There are only African and non African (mostly European) roots that partially blended and evolved there along the timeline. Hard to speak about club dancing as well .. even when Walter Laird was there in 40s (or 50s ?), there were already some dance competitions going on in Cuba and he learned from some Cuban dance champions ...
 
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There are no Cuban roots. There are only African and ..European.. that partially blended..
I know what you mean, but nevertheless this is a quick way to describe the style. Wilmer and Maria's bolero-son is clearly different from Puerto Rican bolero for instance.
 
I know what you mean, but nevertheless this is a quick way to describe the style. Wilmer and Maria's bolero-son is clearly different from Puerto Rican bolero for instance.

Well ... they are from Cuba, so it's expected ...

"Wilmer y Maria are a unique and iconic dance duo in the Salsa world, combining their training in Afro-rumba, ballet, contemporary, Cuban folk dances and Spanish dances, both graduating from Cuban dance academies where they undertook their training.

They moved from Cuba to Italy in 2002 ..."
 
Everything is so standardized because ballroom dancing is a sport. Many of the things done by this couple would just not work. They would lose. But it's so beautiful. It's art. It's allowed to be whatever it wants to be.

Not sure what you have in mind here. This is not improvised club dance - it is trained choreography made to look like it. If you watch the figures, you will actually recognize a number of figures that are used in BR rumba - a figure called dile que no in cuban salsa / cross body lead in linear salsa is pretty much leading a fan / advanced opening out in rumba. Then there are number of underarm turns which are alemanas in rumba. Then you will see something like New york or hand to hand. Then a number of natural tops. There are no hokey sticks but there are enchuflas instead, not that different, just you turn the follower earlier. Etc ...

It's just that it doesn't have typical BR latin styling with straight legs and ballroom arms, but they play a lot with double hold etc like in salsa. The rest is some typical stiff that was used in Son, performed also by some other artists. So it is standardized as well

This one is probably closer to what was danced back then ... more closed hold, smaller steps, but still similar basic structure

 
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What I mean is some things would not be acceptable in a ballroom dance competition situation. Yet the dancing is so beautiful.
Another question is whether it's possible to practice several styles of a dance independently. One style for the medal, another for expression and musicality?
 
Another question is whether it's possible to practice several styles of a dance independently. One style for the medal, another for expression and musicality?
Of course. It's just a question of mindset (& practicing that mindset), and what you wish to prioritize at any given moment. There are several ballroomers on this forum who both compete and dance socially, and this mindset-switch is exactly what they do from one environment to the other.

For most of us, focusing exclusively on expression reduces our precision and consistency, which is why journeyman competitors largely ignore it. But at a certain point of mastery, precision and consistency no longer require attention. At that point, there is no longer a distinction between a dancer's competitively good and expressive & musical styles. They may practice and drill for precision, but every performance is pure feeling!
 
There is lot of expression and musicality in rumba clip I posted; it's not by the book dancing by any means, for instance some steps are ahead the beat, some behind the beat on purpose to make it more dynamic and it's done very precise etc ... Of course, you can't expect much of it from medal dancers ... it's just different genre/style than son clips ...
 
..reduces our precision and consistency, which is why journeyman competitors largely ignore it..
Well, I see, you don't advocate an equal, two-track approach, but rather prioritize the strict version. I don't mean to criticize that; for many dancers, the medal is compensation for effort, discipline, and self-sacrifice. But the very existence of this thread shows that many BR dancers feel that a very high price has to be paid for precision. So why shouldn't lower ranks also be allowed to revel in sensuality and musicality?
And be careful, because if you now reply that it jeopardizes precision, then you are implicitly acknowledging that something highly desirable waits behind the world of medals, adaptation and mere reproduction.
 
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But the very existence of this thread shows that many BR dancers feel that a very high price has to be paid for precision. So why shouldn't lower ranks also be allowed to revel in sensuality and musicality?
There are two answers to this.

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First, precision itself is not the point. It never was! Technical precision is merely the means by which we can fully realize our art. Without technical precision, we do not have complete awareness & control of our bodies, and therefore must rely to some extent on random chance to produce something beautiful. It is, of course, not totally impossible to produce beauty without technique, but you can't count on it. This is why the lower levels of learners focus so obsessively on technique, and why it becomes less of a singular focus as skill improves.

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Second, ballroom competition judging is inherently unfair. Judges get 90 seconds or less to evaluate 6-20 couples, which is already an absurd thing to ask of them. And that time constraint means that they only get to see one tiny slice of a couple's work. What if they happen to be watching at a bad moment? They will have to assume that that bad moment is a fair representation of the couple's ability. They have no other option!

Because of that, consistency is vitally important to a competitor, even if all they want from the contest is data and don't care about winning. They cannot afford to have jaggedly uneven quality compounding the unfairness of the judging structure. It is far more critical to eliminate your worst lows than to reach for your highest highs, in the low to middle levels where most of us work.

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But this still doesn't fully answer the spirit of your question. Can't a lower-level competitor reject strategy entirely, and dance with their heart anyway?

Yes, they can, and some do (my wife used to be one such). However, it is rare. Because one common psychological feature of perennial competitors, and one driving force behind participation, is dissatsifaction. They want their art to be better, and better, and better. Their vision is lofty, and their reality pretty much never measures up--no matter how far they get.

By contrast, folks who are happy to dance from their heart all the time are not motivated by dissatisfaction in this way. They either are principally concerned with feeling instead of aesthetic, for which technique is less critical, or else they are already satisfied-enough with how they look. And for either of those two mindsets, what would be the point of competing? It either rewards something you don't care about, or grinds down your self-satisfaction. A total waste of time!

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Postscript:

For my wife, the mismatch between what she felt and what she saw in her videos is why she moved away from an "all heart" mindset. Without viewing herself critically, she could have forever lived happily with her art as it existed in her mental image.

On one hand, that sounds terrible! She was happy, and competing ruined it!

But the full story is that she is happier now, after putting in serious technical work so that her reality is closer to her mental image. Not only does she look better to her own eye, but when she lets go and dances from the heart, she can express her feelings in a deeper, more nuanced, more sophisticated way than she could even imagine before. So she has found the exchange acceptable, and is eager to continue developing her art...largely through refinement of her technical precision!
 
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But the very existence of this thread shows that many BR dancers feel that a very high price has to be paid for precision.
Oh, also:

I don't think anyone here is claiming that these performers are imprecise or sloppy. Quite the contrary! But they are utilizing a style and aesthetic that none of the dances under the Ballroom umbrella do.

The reason it would do poorly at a Ballroom competition isn't that it is poorly executed, but that it would be wildly outside of every category. A judge cannot feasibly mark somebody first in Samba (for example) if what they are dancing cannot conceivably be interpreted as as Samba, no matter how good it is.

In order for a dance to be interpreted as in-category, it needs to either use a recognizable overall aesthetic or recognizable movement patterns. These dancers are using neither, from a Ballroom perspective.

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The way I interpret DanceMentor's original post is that he was misled by a terminology collision. The term "Latin dance" is a shorthand for dozens of extremely varied styles. So when a ballroom instructor told him, "Yeah, we can totally teach you Latin here," what the instructor meant and how DM understood it were entirely different things. And being a neophyte back then, it took him a lot of time to finally understand he'd made a mistake, and was not developing the style that most moves him.

Maybe it was an innocent misunderstanding, or maybe it was an underhanded business move. From my limited, outside perspective here, I certainly can't tell.
 
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Everything is so standardized because ballroom dancing is a sport. Many of the things done by this couple would just not work. They would lose. But it's so beautiful. It's art. It's allowed to be whatever it wants to be.
Why are you comparing it with ballroom. This is essentially a stylish presentation of what is a street dance. Don’t both stand alone on their own ?

As a ballroom dancer you look at it from that lens and marvel. As a social dancer I view it from a different lens and think not a big deal. Does it take skill and talent to do that? Absolutely. Can a ballroom dancer do that? No. Can a social dancer do that? No.

It is a performance. It is meant to wow. Not everyone would be wowed. Some could think that’s beautiful performance, some would notice high degree of technical competence, some would notice choreography and so forth. For those exposed to this type of performative dancing, it is interesting or not, depending on time of the day :)
 

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