"...if you don't give everything to your partners, what's the point of dancing tango?"

ardix

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Picking up on @pianistamediano 's question here, especially that I find it related with a previous question of mine - why/how did you start dancing tango?

And since I started this I'll also go first with answering it: I came (and stayed) into tango for the music. It is the music that does it for me, the possibility of expressing how the music runs through my body. And then is the aspect of the conversation thus created with a partner. It is not (and it has never been) about giving (my) everything to my dance partners. Although I'll admit, to some I give more than the others.
 
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why/how did you start dancing tango?
I'd been a full-time telecommuter – working in the apartment where I ate, slept, etc. – from 1995 to 2013. All my hobbies and pastimes were at home, too. Aside from errands and appointments, I got out maybe once a week.

I was aware that being parked at home, usually in front of a computer, was bad for my physical, mental, and social health. In 2013, a friendly reminder from my doctor on this subject drove me to seek out an activity that involved at least light exercise, outside my apartment. I picked dance because it had always fascinated me – a best friend had not one but four sisters who were dancers, one of them a pro (ballet).

My wife at the time, now my ex, was into all kinds of dance, including tango – although tango wasn't her favorite or even third-favorite dance. However, there was a studio 10 minutes from where we lived with a big decal of two stylized dancers with the word "TANGO" on the window, so we went there. I confess that I knew little about tango before then, and wasn't drawn to it due to its appearance in media or an interest in Argentine culture . . . if culture was going to bring me to dance, it would have been Brazilian culture bringing me to samba de gafieira!

I immediately fell in love with two things:

1. The fact that tango was improvised, without some strict set of steps or interpretation of the music. This appealed to my approach to other things: cooking without recipes, inventing cocktails from the bottles at hand, writing without an outline, and generally creating on the spur of the moment. I'd tried salsa and just hated the constant insistence on "on 1" or "on 2," the repetitiveness of the basic mambo step, etc. . . . not for me.

2. The fact that tango could be danced in a more cerebral, calculated sense that's all about geometry, if one liked. The need to navigate with a walking dance, fit bodies around each other in the embrace, vary angles and speeds to deal with other couples, etc. seemed mathematical to me. That appealed to my background as a theoretical physicist.

The music wasn't my first interest. Initially it was "just there"; in fact, I disliked the bandoneón because it reminded me of an old-timey accordion with a squeedly-deedly, discordant sound. I spent my youth around punk rock (more DIY, spur-of-the-moment stuff), so tango music was far from what I grew up on. Once I understood how it was a perfect fit to improvised dance, though, it became another thing I loved about tango.

By a stroke of luck, the studio where I was learning needed leaders to accompany followers; I was always in demand for the classes at the levels below mine. They also needed a bartender, so I ended up doing that at the milonga. This gave me a massive social "in," and also meant I was the go-to guy whenever a class needed a spare body. As a result, I got immersed in tango, which meant that I was always giving everything when I danced. As an accompanier, I had to – that was the job description – and as I was doing that when I was creating my mental image of myself as a tanguero, it became a big part of my dance personality.

Today my "tango identity" is about the things I love: improvising and even inventing steps, appreciating the music, thinking through the theory behind the dance and the music, and throwing myself into each tanda with 100% of what I've got, whatever my partner's level. It was never and still isn't about meeting people, beyond "get out from behind a computer and see other humans." It was never and still isn't about Argentine culture, beyond "this music comes from Argentina."
 
The music wasn't my first interest. Initially it was "just there"; in fact, I disliked the bandoneón because it reminded me of an old-timey accordion with a squeedly-deedly, discordant sound.

I think that instrument is an acquired taste for most people. The sound can be particularly harsh on the old recordings. I didn't like it either when it started. It does look cool though
 
You know my opinion: the partner is the compromise you have to make. Without (i.e. solo dancing) it would be much nicer on the floor. But you only get membership in the global tango community if you dance together as a couple. I know that for many here my opinion is heretical. But I don't need tango to have physical experiences with the opposite or same sex.
 
why/how did you start dancing tango?
Initially, because my romantic partner of the time danced it. But solving the mystery was the big hook for me at the start. Here's what I wrote after my first ever lesson:

A dance with no steps? Where the follower somehow divined the intent of the leader? People made several valiant attempts to explain, in much the same fashion as Stephen Hawking might attempt to explain the black hole information paradox to a cat.

By the end of the lesson, I was able to do something not anywhere close to a tango walk but she was somehow able to figure out when I wanted to go and when I wanted to stop. This was about 5% signals from me and 95% telepathy, but the 5% part satisfied my curiosity, so that was that.

Except I’d been talked into signing up for a second lesson. This was blatant exploitation of a disability: I am incurably curious about How Stuff Works. So a hint here about tango being a great way to understand the structure of music, a word there about how geeks love tango because there’s so much to understand …

Thing is, if you have someone who loves understanding How Stuff Walks, then the tango walk is the perfect hook. It is, on one level, as simple as it was first presented to me: walking in time to the beat. And, of course, something the world’s most accomplished dancers continue to work on for the rest of their lives. As a topic, it’s weaponised curiosity.


Then, of course, you have your first tangasm, and there's no escape.
 
Thing is, if you have someone who loves understanding How Stuff Walks, then the tango walk is the perfect hook. It is, on one level, as simple as it was first presented to me: walking in time to the beat. And, of course, something the world’s most accomplished dancers continue to work on for the rest of their lives. As a topic, it’s weaponised curiosity.
That's pretty much exactly what I meant with:
The fact that tango could be danced in a more cerebral, calculated sense that's all about geometry, if one liked. The need to navigate with a walking dance, fit bodies around each other in the embrace, vary angles and speeds to deal with other couples, etc. seemed mathematical to me. That appealed to my background as a theoretical physicist.
and:
thinking through the theory behind the dance and the music
I'm probably the least-romantic, least-Argentina-philic tango dancer there could be. It really is a curiosity-driven exercise in dance and music theory for me. Yes, I appreciate the friends and the rituals, but mostly because I find my experimental exploration of the theory easier to do in an amiable environment with a little structure and politeness . . . it removes a lot of variables that have nothing to do with the ones I'm working with.
 
You know my opinion: the partner is the compromise you have to make. Without (i.e. solo dancing) it would be much nicer on the floor. But you only get membership in the global tango community if you dance together as a couple. I know that for many here my opinion is heretical. But I don't need tango to have physical experiences with the opposite or same sex.
Hmm, I can agree on not needing tango to have physical experiences with other people. As I said, "It was never and still isn't about meeting people," and, "I'm probably the least-romantic tango dancer there could be." I feel that looking for encounters in tango is looking in the wrong place, and find that people who show up to do that more so than to dance inject unwelcome noise into my bubble.

However, don't you feel that the point/counterpoint or proposal/counterproposal nature of partner dance allows for more expression than solo dance? In solo dance, there's you. In partner dance, there's you, them, and the interaction . . . I'd say it offers three times the possibility for expression. There are some things – notably, off-axis movements that would make you fall down if done on your own – that can exist only with a partner, and which feel like excellent expressions of the music. Also, unless you're some kind of ultra-gifted genius, there are entire realms of expression you're not going to think of without another person using their brain to provoke yours.
 
..unless you're some kind of ultra-gifted genius..
Of course I'm not. I wasn't interested in dancing until I started tango. I quit dancing as a teenager as the styling in BR became more and more flamboyant and fake. I dance with women, I also give them leeway and freedom of interpretation. It's ok as long as the music is bad (and it usually bad in milongas). But when Pugliese or Piazzolla is playing, I want to have the wings, which I unfortunately cant find on my back.
 
Of course I'm not. I wasn't interested in dancing until I started tango. I quit dancing as a teenager as the styling in BR became more and more flamboyant and fake. I dance with women, I also give them leeway and freedom of interpretation. It's ok as long as the music is bad (and it usually bad in milongas). But when Pugliese or Piazzolla is playing, I want to have the wings, which I unfortunately cant find on my back.
This thread is rapidly crystallising the reasons why I don't spend time arguing the opposite
(both dance and music) on this forum any more.
 
Picking up on @pianistamediano 's question here, especially that I find it related with a previous question of mine - why/how did you start dancing tango?

And since I started this I'll also go first with answering it: I came (and stayed) into tango for the music. It is the music that does it for me, the possibility of expressing how the music runs through my body. And then is the aspect of the conversation thus created with a partner. It is not (and it has never been) about giving (my) everything to my dance partners. Although I'll admit, to some I give more than the others.
The music is unquestionably compelling. It's the thing that encourages many of us to continue pursuing this dance. I'm not sure what "giving everything to my partner" means though. Rather, I feel one should give everything to the dance, where you and your partner are unitary couple. I like to see it that way, rather than each of us separately. I think it was Vidort (not sure since I don't have the quote in front of me), who used the metaphor of the asada and said something like when you dance tango, you have to "put all the meat on the grill." In other words, dance like you mean it or don't dance at all.
 
Few people dance tango because they would rather dance by themselves.
Its not "..because.." Its rather "..and.." In the beginning I did not know that certain music could move me that strong. As I have written above, it does not happen with ordinary music.
 
I immediately fell in love with two things:...
Pretty much the same. At the time some AT music was 'interesting', some just not danceable for me (ah, some Piazzolla - not even for listening as it doesn't even inspire). With time, musical horizons have widened.

'Giving' everything - no. In fact actively trying to 'give' more makes the dance worse. I'm not trying to create something. If it just flows from within then it's better.
 

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