Looking at cleavage

Moving on...to my preferred sort of cleavage (image is definitely safe for work).

Funny. Also, I see that you took my other little funny about avatars to heart. :)

Some wise words from Sweavo that bear another read...thanks, Sweavo...

I'd just like to say that I'm really sad about how this thread has gone.

So c'mon; the cleavage thread can be a light hearted chat with some serious points made ... but there's no need to get so worked up about it!
 
Maybe we need some definitions to get back on track?

Cleavage (wiki):

1. The act of splitting or cleaving.
2. The state of being split or cleft; a fissure or division.
3. Mineralogy. The splitting or tendency to split of a crystallized substance along definite crystalline planes, yielding smooth surfaces.
4. Embryology. The series of mitotic cell divisions that produces a blastula from a fertilized ovum. It is the basis of the multicellularity of complex organisms. Also called segmentation; Any single cell division in such a series.
5. Chemistry. The splitting of a complex molecule, such as a polysaccharide, into simpler molecules.
6. Informal. The hollow between a woman's breasts, especially as revealed by a low neckline.

So the one in this thread only comes in last and is just 'informal'. I can only assume a woman compiled that list :)

By the way, is a 'cleaver' - an instrument to create cleavage?

So, having clarified the issue no end I will return to cooking dinner.
 
long thread.. with fireworks aplenty :)

after some pondering.. i don't see how you are going get your wish, vmec. if we were in a world that tended towards the ideal (hypothetically), we'd be surrounded by people who would act in a manner that pleases their friends and social acquaintances. What types of behaviour would constitute 'pleasing' needs to be communicated somehow.

Since there are many matters that don't get explicit articulation often, we resort to things like chivarly, docorum, etiquette, Miss Manners, The Official Guidebook for Conduct in Ballroom and so on. In short, we guess.

In todays world, esp. in social dancing circles, I'm surrounded by women who prefer to have their bodies and fashion sensibilities praised. Despite all that is lip-serviced by ardent feminists, they do their talking from a catwalk dais wearing designer clothes and fancy makeup. While this undersandably leads to negative values, it also has positive implications. Without getting sidetracked into a discussion of whether these attitudes are desirable or not, I would just say that they are what they are. Given this is the world we live in, we often learn to admire bodies and looks of opposite sex (and secondarily, those of people from the same sex as ourselves). Within this reality, women's size and breasts get noticed.

Even if a man pretends not to have really noticed it, and restrains himself by not continuously staring at them, it is safe to guess that it has been looked at. Now if you have a body that is considered either very attractive or something that stands out, it is inevitable that you'll get looked at often - either explicitly or furtively, and oftentimes, both.

Very beautiful/handsome and shy people often have to deal with this reality to their consternation. Someone with a very attractive face often gets looked at by almost everyone - repeated glances and constant stares.There is no way to shame to world into giving them the privacy they desire (and deserve). The world is what it is.

vmec - If you are literally referring to someone holding a stare at you, that's clearly a violation of social etiquette by every standard I can think of. But if you are referring to interactions where the frequent glances and stolen looks don't seem to stop, I'm not sure that you have a practical recourse, except perhaps to vent.
 
Not a woman, so this is just a guess (and we all know I don't understand them :) ), but I'd venture that ithis is almost never going to be acceptable, at least not without some type of preexisting relationship, and even then, type of comment you can get away with will depend strongly on the relationship. I can think of a few friends that might accept and even laugh at/enjoy a comment along lines of "So you decided to bring the girls along to the club tonight?" as acknowledgement of a low cut shirt when we're out. (of course, being as shy as I am, would be unlikely to ever say that, but that's another issue). And of course comments appropriate between lovers, daters, spouses, etc, as fasc and others have already mentioned. But I don't think there's any safe, yet still obvious, way to make a comment like that to a stranger or passing acquaintance. Though you can try the allusion used on episode of House I watched last night. "I like your blouse", with it's corrolary, "I like your shoes", to comment on her legs. Of course, if she doesn't get the allusion, just comes off sounding a little effeminate.

I couldn't have said it better myself!
 
please leave the assignement of whether or not the person is a troll to the staff...if that happens to be the case it will be dealt with...at this juncture, I am rather embarrassed by the presumtions here... I think erring on the benefit of the doubt would be best...
I did see you posting some nostalgia for the old days didn't I? ;)
 
If you feel so bothered about men admiring your womanly figure, don't wear the outfits you that attract that sort of attention. You mention that you dress just like any other woman in there, but many women feel good when they're being checked out because they feel attractive to the opposite sex. Which is why they dress the way they do...Why else would you wear a cleavage? So other women can look at it? So you can look at it? What is the purpose of a cleavage if not to outline your shape? Why don't nuns wear cleavages?
A woman's got a right to say "Hey! My eyes are up here!" if she wants. And uncomfortable is uncomfortable period. It's different levels for different people. And boundaries are set all the time in romance. This is part of the same thing. If someone sets a boundary with me I respect that boundary and stay within it or don't interact with her. My choice.

We on the other hand don't have to accept the judgment given by some women either. It's different levels for different people. If someone thinks I've gone too far they can let me know and I'll stop whatever it is. Or if I discern they aren't enjoying the interaction I'll stop as well. I approached a woman last week and was talking with her. She stopped talking back with me. So I stayed a couple of minutes longer to make sure I wasn't just being cowardly. When it became evident that she didn't want me there I left. No big deal.

Having said all that looking is not where it's at. I did a fair amount of experimenting but honest interaction is way better than looking anytime.
 
:-) No worries etp... if there's any studio's staff in the region I'm the least familiar with it's yours... (with the exception of K o' course)... and pro and I rarely discuss anything real specific about his dancing... he likes to keep to himself.
 
Misinterpretations notwithstanding, I think we're all pretty much on the same page. Disrespectful admiration = bad. Respectful admiration = good. Generally regardless of gender.

Moving on...to my preferred sort of cleavage (image is definitely safe for work).

Very cute. :)

Where *is* Peaches these days, anyway...?
 
2. The state of being split or cleft; a fissure or division.

Buttocular cleavage matches this decription...anytime the thread wants to veer into that direction, I find that *far* more interesting...*grin*

By the way, is a 'cleaver' - an instrument to create cleavage?

Otherwise known as a good $50 Victoria's Secret brassiere... ;)
 

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