OK, here's my first attempt at a syllabus...

I always have a lesson plan when I start a series, but end up deviating a lot depending on the level of the students. While the idea of a syllabus is great, it can create problems if it's dogmatically adhered to. So now I start every lesson with a general theme in mind, but I will play it by ear depending on how the students are responding. Can't use a cookie-cutter approach (or one-size-fits-all, etc. insert your favorite cliche here)

Edit: What Zoopsia said about individual work!! I always go around the class working with the students individually as they dance. I allow a lot of time (2-3 songs) to practice for every thing I show, and during that time, I work with different students on their individual weaknesses. I have to use a different approach with each student to make sure I'm actually getting to them.
 
Blimey, what is it with some of you lot and ballroom dancing? :confused: It's like an obsession or something...

Hey! That's my line. ;)

There's an interesting paradox here. Tango is supposed to be a dance 'of the people', possessed by, and controlled by no one, but in fact, it could be said to be almost entirely teacher/instructor centered. They can't agree amongst themselves about even the day of the week, usually, but they are nearly all (in my limited experience) larger-than-life characters, whose central message is something vaguely like: 'Watch me (I'm an exhibitionist) and dance like me too. My dance is true tango, and if you want to fit in in this community, you had better believe it.'

We poor, feeble, BR dancers wouldn't be taken in by such nonsense for even thirty seconds. We know what a Fallaway Reverse Turn and Slip Pivot is, and if we don't like the flavour on offer, there is another studio just up the road. That gives us a freedom the average tango dancers just don't have. Tango is not freedom, its servitude.
 
We poor, feeble, BR dancers wouldn't be taken in by such nonsense for even thirty seconds.
Neither are "we" (and why all that posing as a victim and pretending to speak for an entire class of people? I don't have a "Feindbild" , thank you, and if I'd have to construct one there are more obvious targets than ballroom dancers.)

I also disagree with your assertion that ballroom dancers are true sceptics and never gullible; I've seen my share of stupid things uttered by ballroom dance teachers and believed by the student masses (the worst evening as far as that was concerned was one in which a ballroom dance teacher was showing "Argentine tango" to a ballroom dance audience. I guess that you could hear the gnashing of my teeth across the room that evening).

If you actually read the posts, few (if any) of them claim that explaining the concepts and technique is unnecessary. Some simply show a (healthy) suspicion of these things cast into stone tablets to be revered, because "we" tend to think that there is not "a single truth". My personal view is that a syllabus is fine (as a tool) as long as it doesn't make preposterous claims to represent Laws of the Universe, and I suspect that's also what David thinks.

Tango is not freedom, its servitude.
(Whose servitude? Tango's servitude? freedom's servitude? Sorry, couldn't resist; I''m the guardian of the Balance in the Apostrophe Universe in another forum.)

I see no argument leading up to this rather bold assertion, just a knee-jerk reaction at the mention of ballroom.

Perhaps your claim about tango is true in your neck of the woods if there's only one bad teacher who couldn't explain how to put one foot in front of the other if he tried, but here there are at least 7 couples to choose from, and most do teach technique rather than just ask people to parrot them (I do disagree with all of them on some points, of course).
 
(Whose servitude? Tango's servitude? freedom's servitude? Sorry, couldn't resist; I''m the guardian of the Balance in the Apostrophe Universe in another forum.

I see no argument leading up to this rather bold assertion, just a knee-jerk reaction at the mention of ballroom.

Ha Ha, I agree over the careless (missing) apostrophe, but otherwise you are taking my comment too seriously: it was a joke ...

One point was seriously intended though, and that was that tango does seem to me to be more teacher-centrered than many other styles (but you didn't complain about the missing hyphen). I don't think that is good for the dance style, and I put it down, partly to the lack of any standardisation, even as to fundamentals. Balance might come, in each community, by the presence of a small boy, at each class, prepared to observe (as required) that the 'Emperor has No Clothes'.
 
Uh... You accuse me of being Australian? (and where do the elephants come in?)

I'm a backwoods one-language American, remember? Don't go gettin' all fancy-shmancy on me!

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bicker
bicker
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Brouhaha
boulderdash
ballyhoo
It's only talk
Back talk
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Ha Ha, I agree over the careless (missing) apostrophe, but otherwise you are taking my comment too seriously: it was a joke ...

One point was seriously intended though, and that was that tango does seem to me to be more teacher-centrered than many other styles (but you didn't complain about the missing hyphen). I don't think that is good for the dance style, and I put it down, partly to the lack of any standardisation, even as to fundamentals. Balance might come, in each community, by the presence of a small boy, at each class, prepared to observe (as required) that the 'Emperor has No Clothes'.

what does "teacher-centred" mean?
 
what does "teacher-centred" mean?

Many other styles of dance have a very well-established foundation of accepted basic technique and style, and a student can walk into a class or lesson pretty much anywhere in the world (language difficulties aside) and find the same dance being taught with the same technique. No one teacher has any real influence, except in matters of choreography, styling and musicality. The dance exists independently of the teaching body, and one of the marks of the quality of the teacher is the extent to which they remain faithful to the fundamentals of the dance and pass them on.

There is a huge population of social dancers, most of whom have long given up receiving any regular instruction (it shows, but that's a different issue), and they dance, from one year to the next, in clubs, bars, hired halls and all sorts of other venues, in the styles they know (and at their own level) completely indifferent to the relatively small body of teachers, whose influence is, therefore, non-existent.

Tango seems different. There probably is an irreducable minimum of basic technique and style that defines the dance, but it defies definition (mostly because no one will agree - they could, but they won't), so in the absence of any standardisation (and I'm not talking about, less still advocating standardising the way that we dance), tango is whatever the local teachers in any place say it is.

Some teach the 8CB and other figures, which they learned in the car park behind the theatre the night they went to see Tango Argentino, and they've been 'teaching' ever since, others have learned their craft via a more traditional route, and they would say (quite possibly correctly) that the other guy wasn't teaching tango at all. Either way, they seem to dominate the tango scene in a way that teachers don't dominate other scenes. I know that some large cities can support dance clubs where people go mainly to dance, rather than to receive instruction, but there are very few venues (not around me, anyway) where tango dancing is to be found as a social activity, separated from teaching activities. In my nearest big city, I know of no dancing not organised by teachers, and linked directly to their teaching activities. Milongas are few and far between - monthly generally, and if you want to dance even once a week, you will have to spend hours driving to other towns/cities, and if you want to dance every day, you will have to open your own club.

You could go to a class nearly every day, though, and most tango dancers seem to attend more classes than dances, no matter how long they have been dancing. That impression may be wrong, of course, and it may not hold good everywhere.

So my view is that tango (at least locally) is dominated by its teachers. If they stopped arranging milongas, would anyone else step in to the vacuum, or would the tango community just melt back into the wider dance community and carry on dancing salsa, modern jive and whatever else? If you actually enjoy dancing, rather than writing about dancing, or buying dance shoes, or saving up for that trip the BsAs, then tango might not be the obvious choice. But that is another issue, and perhaps just a local one to me here.
 
thanks, UK Dancer...maybe the teachers are do-ers; they are motivated to generate tango dancing;

I expect Dave (the Oracle) Bailey will provide definitions for you.....
 
Your stance has not been very clear.
Then I hope it is clearer now.

In a few posts you gave the impression you wanted to standardize tango instruction (not just in your own classes, but in a more extensive way al la Ballroom)
Argh, can people please shut up about Ballroom? I'm truly sick of hearing people in an Argentine Tango forum endlessly witter on about Ballroom Dancing.

I mean, I really don't get it. To me, ballroom is like Hungary - sounds nice, I vaguely know a little about it, lots of people like it, but I've no interest in visiting the place. But to some people it seems to be, I dunno, North Korea or something.

(I may be extending the analogy a little too much there, sorry...)

I think that's why you are getting the responses you are... it's easy to interpret your post in different ways.
As I've said, several times, I want to create a standard syllabus to help me and my students. If it helps others, great.

What I don't want is to have people endlessly make irrelevant comparisons which display, frankly, a lack of knowledge about learning and teaching theory, and which comments all boil down to "syllabus is bad, mkay?".

I don't feel a lack of standardization is the problem in Tango.. the problem is that quite a few teachers just aren't very good at teaching the standards.
So, hold on, you're agreeing that there are standards now? So standardisation is a good thing? :confused:

And you call my posts unclear?
 
I expect Dave (the Oracle) Bailey will provide definitions for you.....
Don't ask me, I'm smaller than life :D

On the actual topic, my FB group's been upgraded, so I now need to work out how it works all over again. There seems to be a "document" function, it may be worth me trying to use that one for the grouped topics, now that the discussion... oh hell, they've removed the discussions from the new format :mad:

Gah. Pen and paper, here I come.
 
Don't ask me, I'm smaller than life :D

On the actual topic, my FB group's been upgraded, so I now need to work out how it works all over again. There seems to be a "document" function, it may be worth me trying to use that one for the grouped topics, now that the discussion... oh hell, they've removed the discussions from the new format :mad:

Gah. Pen and paper, here I come.

a quill and a garrett is what you need.....

FB= frustration book; i cant find how to put the address of my tango group on the header, even though its part of the description.

More control required; so a heading post stays at the top and doesnt get displaced by later posts.....
 
thanks, UK Dancer...maybe the teachers are do-ers; they are motivated to generate tango dancing;

The alternative, and less charitable, view is that they are generating custom for their tuition. The dancing seems to be an optional extra. There might be more of it, otherwise...
 

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