To my ear it seems more like this:
1234 1234 1234 1234 1234
1_2_ __3_ 1___ 1___ 1___
but I must say I don't have the score
Really? Any Music?
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1234 1234 1234 1234 1234
1_2_ __3_ 1___ 1___ 1___
but I must say I don't have the score
tangomonkey
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Ya, being a trained musician has not helped me dance - it may even be a hindrance...at least it was at first.
Swing comes from playing pairs (or runs of) eighth notes or dotted-eighth-sixteenths with a triplet feel. So instead of subdividing the beat into 4, sub into 3, and play the first and third. Still is a "feel" thing though.
Any idea how to line up my examples? I wanted the beat to be above the subdivision counts but can't get it...
Subliminal
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I used to play Jazz, and we almost NEVER had notated music with the dots or delays built in. It was pretty much done entirely by feel. It think it depends on the song how much swing to put in, and also what your band's style is. Also soloist can add in additional delay purely for contrast, and it's not wrong.
Subliminal
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Also I'm not sure what the debate is about with milonga. Are we still talking about take 5? It's very clear, the accents are on 1 and 4. Sure, you can dance any part of the song, but if you're going to dance to something oddball, you need to give your partner some context.
bordertangoman
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The way i explain the milonga rhythm in class is to line up four people equally spaced; these represent notes. Note No.2 then cosies up to note No.3
Musically note two is a half note ie if the other notes are crotchets note 2 is a quaver
this is as Chanchans notation: Milonga (1) * ** *
to hear this rhythm listen to Milonga Sentimentale
having established this rule it pretty much gets ignored a lot of the time
El Lloron plays around with little slow and quick notes, Milonga de Mis Amores has short cascades, but there is always an underlying rhythm which makes it distuinguishable from tango
Peaches
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And I'd just say that you are utterly wrong...and it's not just my personal opinion.
I'd love to know what you think can't be danced to. (4'32" by Phillip Glass, perhaps? That I'll give you.)
Peaches
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Often it comes and goes throughout a milonga--if not disappearing entirely, then at least becoming significantly less prominent. When it comes to dancing, however, I find that it is ignored 99.99999% of the time...which makes me sad and drives me nuts. Such a beautiful, distintive, fun rhythm to play with...and it's like no one ever tries.
bordertangoman
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I delay my step on the two beat so that it is very close to the step on the three beat and I would step normally on the 4 beat.
Your 1-ah-2-&-3-ah-4 suggested a delay on the 2, stepping just before the 3 and a delay before the 4 (the bit I don't agree with). Using your terminology I would have written 1-ah-2,3 4
Peaches
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Ah. I think we are talking apples and persimmons. I wasn't speaking about where you step, just the rhythm that is heard in milonga. My point is that I don't consider the distinctive milonga rhythm to have accents that are evenly spaced (1-&-2-&-3-4-&) but, rather, accents that are highly syncopated.
That said, if I was going to step on every bit of the milonga rhythm I suggested, I'd step on 1, just slightly before 2, on 2, evenly between 2 and 3, on 3, just slightly before 4, on 4, evenly between 4 and 1, and then on 1 (and we're back to the beginning).
That said, if I was going to step on every bit of the milonga rhythm I suggested, I'd step on 1, just slightly before 2, on 2, evenly between 2 and 3, on 3, just slightly before 4, on 4, evenly between 4 and 1, and then on 1 (and we're back to the beginning).
tangomonkey
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Absolutely true.
And if its syncopation you want, Troilo's La Trampera is just the thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2UFiqZ3WCo
(One day I'll learn how to embed YouTube content...)
The recording quality is not great. But looking at the sheet music and listening to my recording by Quinteto Pirincho (Roberto Firpo), the two habanera rhythms I described before are everywhere.
You can do tango steps to any music, I'll give you that. But is doing tango steps to music the same thing as dancing tango?
bordertangoman
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like this [yt] the letters after the = then /yt in square brackets
bordertangoman
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ah but the real question is is when you are doing tango steps to tango music dancing tango?