Tango Diaries

[tangoing]

Cabaceo doesn’t require optimal seating arrangement. No matter the type of arrangement, whether standing on particular sides of the floor, some random seating, only chairs around the dance floor, or tables arranged with 2 to 4 chair per table; all that is needed is people who are scanning around for cabaceo when the tanda starts. None what I described is optimal seating arrangement for cabaceo.

Yup, it’s more about the intent and presence of people trying to cabaceo rather than seating arrangements (although a good setup does help).
Even people with poor eyesight, you can tell they’re attempting to cabaceo vs people with good eyesight who just aren’t trying.

 

[TTanguero]

Don’t you think most men don’t know who is trying to avoid them?

There are plenty who either don't know or don't care. (The latter is utterly bizarre to me – who the heck wants to dance with someone who doesn't want to dance with them?!)

 

[tangoing]

There are plenty who either don't know or don't care. (The latter is utterly bizarre to me – who the heck wants to dance with someone who doesn't want to dance with them?!)

I mean it’s the mindset of “if she gives me a chance she’ll enjoy the dance” which CAN work.
Tango mirrors real life so it’s like trying to hit on a girl at a bar/club who initially overlooks you but ends up liking you after she gets to know you a bit (or even sees that a lot of other people like you).

Personally it’s a lot of effort when you can just find someone who wants to dance with you in the first place.

 

[Bailango]

There are plenty who either don't know or don't care. (The latter is utterly bizarre to me – who the heck wants to dance with someone who doesn't want to dance with them?!)

They are also the ones that have a mindset that any manner to ask is fine. Means justify the ends.

They are usually the same people who will also cut off your attempts to cabaceo targets.

 

[tangoing]

Also the “who wants to dance with someone who doesn’t want to dance with them?” goes both ways.
Tons of stories of older women who don’t get a dance at all even if they’re advanced, but if someone gave them a chance they can “prove themselves” and get a lot more dances.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

This is the issue though — a lot of women actually aren’t paying attention or not looking out for cabaceos, and thus guys will just walk up and ask and if you don’t do the same you just won’t dance with her.

Well, that's a problem for me of course, since I prefer not to ask directly. But why aren't women more proactive. Why don't they look around for a partner for that particular tanda if they want to dance? Some women do it, but most simple seem to be passive.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Naveira was always just the boring continuation of Todaro, Bravo, and Dinzel.

Yet, he is the better dancer.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Don’t you think most men don’t know who is trying to avoid them?

After a while they figure it out, yes.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Tons of stories of older women who don’t get a dance at all even if they’re advanced, but if someone gave them a chance they can “prove themselves” and get a lot more dances.

Yeah, this happens, of course. Then again, I do know (and dance with) older women who can dance and they definitely do get asked. Maybe not as much as young women but they do get asked to dance often enough.

 

[tangoing]

Well, that's a problem for me of course, since I prefer not to ask directly. But why aren't women more proactive. Why don't they look around for a partner for that particular tanda if they want to dance? Some women do it, but most simple seem to be passive.

I think in our nyc scene, a lot of followers are just used to guys just walking up to them for a verbal ask or a point blank cabaceo.

 

[Miradamiranda]

Hmm. What's the difference? To my mind they're both very similar.

Nuevo vs neo is a distinction more related to the music than to the dance. Nuevo started w post-golden age, especially Piazzolla. Neo was a lot later and often includes electronics, drum set and other musical elements more associated with pop/rock culture, etc. To describe the dancing style that many danced to both musical styles, simply the word nuevo will do. Obviously one can also dance traditional to nuevo music.
This is at least how I’ve understood it.

 

[Rabbit]

Nuevo vs neo is a distinction more related to the music than to the dance. Nuevo started w post-golden age, especially Piazzolla. Neo was a lot later and often includes electronics, drum set and other musical elements more associated with pop/rock culture, etc. To describe the dancing style that many danced to both musical styles, simply the word nuevo will do. Obviously one can also dance traditional to nuevo music.
This is at least how I’ve understood it.

My impression of neotango was that it's defined by eclectic DJ sets including a significant proportion of music from other genres that the DJ thinks it's interesting to dance tango to. This could be really good or really random.

I do not think it is a dance style, you can dance however you like at such an event.

 

[Miradamiranda]

My impression of neotango was that it's defined by eclectic DJ sets including a significant proportion of music from other genres that the DJ thinks it's interesting to dance tango to. This could be really good or really random.

I do not think it is a dance style, you can dance however you like at such an event.

I wouldn’t consider alternative or non tango under the umbrella of Neo.

 

[Rabbit]

I wouldn’t consider alternative or non tango under the umbrella of Neo.

Well this is an example of what I associate with neo:

 

[opendoor]

I wouldn’t consider alternative or non tango under the umbrella of Neo.

I would ! Because either of us agreed upon the fact that Neo is not defined technically or music-wise. The social component is decisive! As written yesterday..

..Chicho was completely different. There was a clear break with the ruling regime: different gestures, different clothing, different music. Chicho forced to choose: rejection or identification. In contrast, Naveira was always just the boring continuation of Todaro, Bravo, and Dinzel.