Tango in times of pandemic

[Rabbit]

Here in Germany I expect the next lockdown in a few weeks, first for the unvaccinated and shortly afterwards for the vaccinated. The lockdown just can't be called that anymore.

Every country except China is on the "herd immunity" plan now, it's just been relabelled as "endemic status".

We are getting a bunch of new milongas opening but since everyone seems to be trying to capture the same audience in the same time slots, I'm not sure they are sustainable. Especially since a lot of people self-isolate for 1 or 2 weeks before travelling to avoid the risk of testing Covid positive and having to cancel. Elderly unvaccinated (WHY is this still a thing, do people have a death wish??) family members are also sometimes a concern.

 

[Brummbaer]

Here in Germany I expect the next lockdown in a few weeks, first for the unvaccinated and shortly afterwards for the vaccinated

And in the UK the infection and morbidity rates/milion are at least 2x those in Germany (3x a few weeks ago) but it's all getting even more relaxed and less observant of cautionary measures. Just wish for some more official and stronger recommend for ventilation for indoor meetings. At least Drosten is giving you the warnings.

Seems to be some discussion about 2G or 3G (recovered, vaccinated, tested in English for those unfamiliar) there. What's the requirement for milongas at the moment? Looks like 2G from your comments, but is it checked?

 

[Brummbaer]

Elderly unvaccinated (WHY is this still a thing, do people have a death wish??) family members are also sometimes a concern.

An interesting view I'd seen was the merit of requiring vaccine passes to protect the unvaccinated.

Not even certain why it's a thing to be unvaccinated unless there's some legitimate medical reason. In which case they shouldn't be mingling.

 

[itwillhappen]

Seems to be some discussion about 2G or 3G (recovered, vaccinated, tested in English for those unfamiliar) there. What's the requirement for milongas at the moment? Looks like 2G from your comments, but is it checked?

Here in NRW/Germany it's recovered, vaccinated or a rapid test <6h for dance events ... still now.
Other federal districts of Germany are at recovered, vaccinated.

 

[Brummbaer]

Here in NRW/Germany it's recovered, vaccinated or a rapid test <6h for dance events ... still now.
Other federal districts of Germany are at recovered, vaccinated.

Anybody check? That is 'or' not 'and' for the test?

 

[itwillhappen]

Anybody check? That is 'or' not 'and' for the test?

'Or', and yes that get's checked at the door, usually.

 

[JournalInTime]

Elderly unvaccinated (WHY is this still a thing, do people have a death wish??) family members are also sometimes a concern.

Not even certain why it's a thing to be unvaccinated unless there's some legitimate medical reason. In which case they shouldn't be mingling.

I can't figure it out, , but we have those people here, too. Worse, it seems that those pressing hardest for a full return to free-for-all, maskless, crowded, pre-pandemic-style milongas here are also the most venomous anti-vaxxers. It's like they're doubling down on making people sick.

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The current situation where I live (province of Québec, Canada) is that we can't have true dance "socials" (which covers milongas) but we can have dance practices (which covers prácticas). The difference is as clear as mud, but appears to be that the host is a school and there's an instructor present . . . so lots of studios that teach are running milongas with interesting names that sound like practices to non-tango people. Registration in advance, and vaccinal passport plus photo ID at the door, are strictly required. Dancers must dance masked. Partner changes are permitted but discouraged.

Starting November 15, dance "socials" will be permitted again, and registration will no longer be required. Vaccinal passport plus photo ID at the door, and masks, will still be required. So, the administrative measures (what your event is called and how it welcomes guests) are looser, but the physical ones (masks and vaccines) are not. I think partner changes are getting a free pass because the people who make the rules have no idea how social dance works, not because it's deemed the best idea ever.

It's the masks that annoy tango dancers the most here. They can deal with registration and ID and QR codes and hand-washing, and they can ignore the stink-eye from those who disapprove of partner changes, but every moment not spent dancing is devoted to bemoaning the obligation to be masked when they are dancing. Which plenty of people ignore, I should add.

 

[JournalInTime]

Frankly, I think I'll continue to dance masked. For years, tango was the reason I caught almost every flu or common cold I had, typically one or two per season. The masks and hand sanitizer have let me dance for going on four months without a single bug, which is some kind of personal record.

 

[itwillhappen]

And I just see the first major tango studio in Germany go back into a (still voluntary) lockdown:

Tangostudio el abrazo | Tamara Juhan | Tango Argentino Hamburg | einfach genussvoll tanzen

www.elabrazo-tangohamburg.de

 

[Brummbaer]

'Or', and yes that get's checked at the door, usually.

A sensible country (well, maybe relatively).

Near me (northern England) some (a few) organisers require evidence; others assume 'adults' acting responsibly. Unfortunately those evidence checks indicated some adults weren't 'adult'. They were in fact the opposite and ardent anti-vaxxers. Guess, as with other 'rules', we really need the organisers to police the situation - except some of them need encouragement, and there's little evidence of that.

Keep safe.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

What's the requirement for milongas at the moment? Looks like 2G from your comments, but is it checked?

Here it's checked at all the listed milongas. That is, you must show proof of vaccination ahead of time. The ones that don't check aren't listed in the "official" calendar.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Not even certain why it's a thing to be unvaccinated

Well, in the USA it's definitely a thing. Lots of false information out there (and not just here).

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Guess, as with other 'rules', we really need the organisers to police the situation - except some of them need encouragement, and there's little evidence of that.

Fear of spreading the disease isn't sufficient?

 

[Brummbaer]

Fear of spreading the disease isn't sufficient?

Fear of spreading = someone else's problem

Fear of catching? Someone once mentioned world-beating (™) vaccine programme and we're all friends here (maybe look at UK politics for that). But forgot that the effectiveness of these vaccines wane with time.

 

[Rabbit]

A sensible country (well, maybe relatively).

That's what we all thought, but Germany is currently entering a severe wave of infections, for which they blame anti-vaxxers