? The music is canon Pugliese that might be played in any milonga and the dancing doesn't look showy at all.
The apilado equation
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? The music is canon Pugliese that might be played in any milonga and the dancing doesn't look showy at all.
I did say a high heel, in Tango terms that's 9 or 10cm (4 inches).
You must work with what works best for you.
I have found that encouraging a partner to come down
from such a high heel to your 7 - 7.5cm works rather well.
Some more experienced social dancers go lower again.
I once subscribed to your view and had the
heel height of english shoes increased, albeit
by only an average 5mm, to help the ankle lean.
Unfortunately I eventually found that such an intention
had other consequences to long term body posture.
So, thankfully, hip hinging has made that unnecessary
and I avoid doing an egotistical "Macron" with heel lifts.
I think you miss the point.
Are you really saying volcadas are not for show?
They certainly block the floor.
It's at loud, brash Cachirulo and it's the show dance.
Cachirulo is no typical milonga.
As for the music, for dance it has no flow.
Their dance has no flow as a consequence
so it is not a good example for social dance.
Let's leave it as a difference of opinion,
but you did post with a question so my opinion
matters as much, or as little, as yours.
You are hurting my feelings ......
Though it is a good example to how specific the audiences for any milonga were, and how the set of milongas one likes can be used as a pretty specific fingerprint of somebodies dance.... and people react strongly when ones preferences go accross these invisible lines of where well behaved tango dancers are supposed to go. One of my other milongas i can only like in secret was the matinee at cafe ideal (i think it has been gone for a while now) - a nice start of the day with great pastries and coffee - but not a place that proper dancers would ever go....
Well, to return to the thread topic, treating volcadas as a figure is probably a healthier alternative to constantly dancing in overbalanced "apilado" if the dancers like that leaning feeling. It's not like you have to do a large back step to start the volcada in a crowded milonga or cause an obstruction by standing there for an entire phrase.
You don't have to do volcadas at all!!!
Well, sorry about that.You are hurting my feelings ......
Though it is a good example to how specific the audiences for any milonga were, and how the set of milongas one likes can be used as a pretty specific fingerprint of somebodies dance.... and people react strongly when ones preferences go accross these invisible lines of where well behaved tango dancers are supposed to go. One of my other milongas i can only like in secret was the matinee at cafe ideal (i think it has been gone for a while now) - a nice start of the day with great pastries and coffee - but not a place that proper dancers would ever go....
I can only state as I found, Hector was so loud and brash
I never went past the cash desk!! But I've met and danced
with Cachirulo attendees and mostly their mentality doesn't
appeal. I was told by one once that I really should go to
Cachirulo since I was more than good enough. Gee, thanks!
And then there are all the videoed demo dances,
some really are not so great. I go to dance,
not be forced to watch and wait.
It's just not where I would want to go.
Yes, Confiteria Ideal is closed but being restored.
It's not clear whether milongas were intended to return
and now it must be even more uncertain.
Some proper dancers did go, younger from abroad
and some old timer ladies too. But it was very commercial
and with some rather predatory men looking to be paid
to teach. The standard of dancing was, let us say, mixed.
And of course it depends which day/days you went and
towards the end it was very unpredictable.
You don't have to do ANYTHING at all. I don't see why you have a problem with people doing volcadas. No one is forcing you to do them.
Artificially defining some set of steps and calling it "real social tango" is absurd.
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ArbeeNYC
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I understand that. I wasn't offering examples to ask if you like the dancing but if they were representative of what you perceive to be "apilado" or not.
ArbeeNYC
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??? Pugliese?
JournalInTime
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I see it like this: I have studied no dance but tango. Many – in fact, most – of the people I dance with have studied no dance but tango. If I invite one of those people to dance a tango at a milonga, and we enjoyably dance to music played there without disrespecting the music, one another, or the other dancers, then perforce we've danced "social tango" because we knew only tango movements, we danced to music played for tango dancers, and we did it at a crowded event for tango dancers without discommoding anybody else. I leave it to any onlookers to judge whether it was real, but I won't be listening to the reply.
Some people would say they were representative of apilado.
After all it is a demonstration but for me, and many others,
Tango as a dance is not for watching.
Not all Pugliese was dance music,
you must make your own choice.
I haven't defined any steps, but you have.
I haven't called anything "real social tango" either.
And volcadas were defined as being outside
social tango by the original poster of the video.
Who might that have been . . . oh yes, you!
The problem with the execution of volcadas
and similar is disruption of the floor.
No, actually that was ArbeeNYC, and the reason he mentioned the volcadas was to distinguish them from the idea of apilado as a constant lean.
Doesn't disrupt the floor any more than a giro, ocho cortado or any other movement/pause that stays in one spot for a few seconds. But these don't inherently block the ronda either, it's the decision to initiate a non-progressing figure when there is lots of space in front and none behind rather than take a step or two forward first that blocks the ronda.