What are the technical elements of a pleasant embrace?

We actually talk a lot. :)
I think lots of tango people do. Last night, I was tired from a work assignment that burned out my brain and also hot due to a surprise warm period in my region, so I was at the milonga from 20h45 to 23h45. For me, three hours is short . . . I usually stay for four. Anyway, I actually left at 00h15 because I had a half-hour-long conversation on the way out about growing up near the end of the Cold War, air-raid alerts, nuclear missiles, and the 1978 assassination of Georgi Markov. This was with a wonderful tanguera, the best dancer in the place.

This is sort of typical – not those specific topics, of course, but topics utterly unrelated to tango, and durations much longer than "hi."
 
I'm not sure I'd tar "opening and closing the embrace often" with the same brush – a "breathing" or "elastic" embrace is good technique however you like your tango

No, it's forced in the majority of cases; they are most probably imitating what actually good dancers do, and their opening up/closing in doesn't feel very organic or natural. Less gentle elasticity and more akin to the snapping back of an extended rubber band.

Their technique for dancing small is pretty much non-existent too, and they aggressively barge into other couples' personal space and take it for themselves in order to dance large.

Assuming you mean literal uniforms, and not uniformity of dancing: I'd be curious as to what those are! Most festival-chasers here are into buying tango shoes and clothing at every stop, so there's great variety and no uniform . . . just money on show.

I'm not sure if there's a (as in, just one) common theme, actually but it's one that I've seen quite often everywhere, and is sort of a reliable sign I use to identify frequent marathon-goers too. (They tend to signify better followers too, so my cabeceo trends have a slight bias towards them. Hence my many encounters with mediocre AND excellent tango globetrotters who actually have feeling, listen attentively to the music and aren't too obsessed with looking good and stuffing in as many steps as possible.)

Highlights include manbuns (For middle-aged and above, I attribute that to a mid-life crisis because it looks meh on most of the men who have it), a black t-shirt tucked into (tango) pants with a belt, a top with some or a lot of skin showing in the back, an eye-catching skirt, et cetera. It's very functional (well, the manbuns are just weird) and the fabrics used breathe well to let sweat evaporate faster.

On the opposite end, I've noticed a slight increase in the number of men wearing waistcoats without the suit. It's just peacocking for me, but the ladies eat them up, so...
 
I can dance lots, still, but I don't leave much to chance. It's very rare that I go to a milonga without several of the following being true. Roughly in order by frequency in a given week:
  • Several tangueras in my circle have spontaneously contacted me by SMS or social media to say that they'll be there.
  • I've posted an event notice on my social media and had tangueras in my circle comment that they'll be there.
  • My girlfriend is coming with me.
  • Another tanguera is giving me a lift to the event, with the unspoken agreement that I'll dance with her in return.
  • Another tanguera has reserved a table and invited me to be there.
  • I've contacted tangueras in my circle by SMS or social media to say that I'll be there, and they've confirmed.
I feel zero shame "stacking the deck" like this, and I'm not too proud to exchange tandas for lifts or table reservations.
I don't think I've ever done any of the above. I simply go when I feel like going and stay home when I don't. The only time I've coordinated anything is with an old friend when he's in town. We meet at the milonga and critique the floor. He can be very funny.
 
I don't think I've ever done any of the above. I simply go when I feel like going and stay home when I don't. The only time I've coordinated anything is with an old friend when he's in town. We meet at the milonga and critique the floor. He can be very funny.

I've had many a good craic with a friend at milongas that mostly involved us complaining about the floorcraft, the dancers, the lack of musicality, the lack of travelling... such enjoyable mutual bonding!
 
In the interest of full disclosure: I met my girlfriend in tango. I didn't go there looking, but that is where I met her.

I do go to milongas to make friends, though . . . I work from home and have done so for 29 years, I lost the majority of my longtime friends in my divorce, and most of my free time outside of work is filled with tango; so, it's "at the milonga or nowhere" for me, when it comes to finding friends.

Aha, that's different from some of the places where I dance! I frequent four places with some regularity, and they're like this:

• Like some relative's (large) living room, with sofas and quaint art. Everybody knows everybody . . . the majority are retirees, so it's their social club. "Young" people like me (merely in my mid-to-late 50s) are treated like grandchildren and even called "dear." Constant mixing.

• Like a loft with a bar. Feels vaguely clandestine, but that's calculated. Everybody mostly knows everybody. The host and hostess are very welcoming. There's a wider age group, so there's some separation by generation, but not much in the way of true cliques. Prevalent mixing.

• Like a dingy bar. Actually is somewhat clandestine (the police were there at least once). Much like the previous case, but with less gracious hosting, so less prevalent mixing. The host is of Latin American origin and so are all his pals, so there's the Spanish-speaking clique and "everybody else."

• Like a huge loft with a bar. Feels commercial. Lots of cliques. Very complicated "table geography" . . . where you sit decides everything about you, whether you're aware of this or not. Not a lot of mixing.

There are other places, of course. I don't avoid them for social reasons, but either because they're too far from my home to get to easily or because the floor is physically terrible (e.g., linoleum over concrete).

Sounds like I've been lucky . . . I have tango friends who share drinks and meals with me outside of tango, invite me to visit their towns, introduce me to their children and grandchildren, etc.

Sure. For me, part of the challenge is making the tanda work despite limitations. Limitations can include a so-so DJ playing so-so music, a not-so-hot floor, a far-too-hot room, me being tired or upset about stuff in my life, other dancers having bad floorcraft, and yes, all the potential partners dancing at a low level. I do my best work when I have a challenge to meet. If it's all "easy" – perfect room with a perfect floor, dancing to perfect music with perfect partners around other perfect dancers – it feels fake and unfulfilling for me.

Some since I started dancing 11 years ago. Most since the studio where I used to work closed 7 years ago. Nearly all since before the pandemic, call it 5 years ago. Hard to put an "average" on this, but I'd call it "8 years or so, on average."

None . . . I dance with people because it's enjoyable, but enjoyment isn't strongly tied to level. It's tied to personality above all else. To avoid lower-level dances that become unenjoyable, I try to dance with those people when all the other factors aren't challenging. For instance, we recently had our not-very-regular big tango ball where everybody showed up, but I limited my partners to people adept at small-spaces dancing with all feet on the floor.

All attend at least a couple of milongas a week. Most manage 3-5 per week, like I do; some consider my 3-5 per week "light," and aim for 7 per week (i.e., every evening). They are, for the most part, milongueras.

Call it 7-8. Last night it was 8. More than once, though, I've been at a milonga with 20 tandas, taken a couple as breaks and so danced 18 tandas, and had to skip someone and promise them a tanda next time.

Oh, I communicate with more than that outside! There are a few I always dance with but don't stay in touch with outside, and a few I stay in touch with outside but rarely or never dance with. Part of the former is because some of them hate social media; part of the latter is because they're in, you know, Turkey or France, not Canada. ;)
That just shows how divergent our respective local scenes are. I had also described how transitory this location in one of the posts in the past.

Smaller milongas make socializing easier. My experience is that tango friendships happen more with those you meet in the classes than with those you meet at milongas.
 
That will bond you with almost anyone who is a dancer :D

It might surprise you to know that there are people who think the floorcraft and generally static dancing in London are entirely acceptable... And a lot more dancers who couldn't recognise adequate musicality if it were slapping them in the face with a rotting bluefin tuna slathered in marmite and feathers!

I've had to resort to bullying immobile dancers into moving, mostly by constantly advancing and dancing very close to them (naturally, with my body protecting my follower). Beginners get an hour at the beginning of the milonga to have their fun before I start aggressively pushing the ronda.
 
Fortunately, gradations are possible between "I won't let anyone look at my cards" and "all tandas are planned in advance".
So I often mark events on Facebook that I'm interested in or would like to attend, so that my "friends" there have an orientation, just as I use it that way. And then in individual cases there is some chitchat going on in the messengers. Sometimes it's reassuring when a "total loss" of the evening is practically impossible.
Okay, I usually make ride-sharing arrangements with two other tangueros and a well-leading tanguera, so I'm not obliged for tandas from this side.
 
Fortunately, gradations are possible between "I won't let anyone look at my cards" and "all tandas are planned in advance".
So I often mark events on Facebook that I'm interested in or would like to attend, so that my "friends" there have an orientation, just as I use it that way.
This is close to how things actually work for me. I was in conversation with six tango friends about an event last night; one showed up. I also marked my interest on Facebook. When I got there, I sat out one tanda in 3 1/2 hours. Most of my tandas were with people I'd danced with never or once in my life. It turned out that no deck-stacking was needed to avoid a total loss.
 
What’s total loss you guys are talking about :D
Not dancing? It can happen. I've shown up to milongas in our follower-heavy city where leaders are almost always in demand and even terrible leaders get to dance, yet by some freak of nature . . .

. . . there were more leaders than followers this one time, and the followers were friends with other leaders but not with me, so I barely danced.

. . . all the other leaders were teachers, performers, visiting masters, etc., and I was by comparison the "terrible leader," so I barely danced.

. . . the leader-follower and skill-level demographics were dead average and nothing special, but the entire place was full of cliques who didn't know me, so I barely danced.

Stacking the deck with even one reliable partner immunizes you against these fates. I prefer insurance, so I aim for more than one.

Of course, at least where I live, followers suffer total losses more often than leaders. Last night, a good friend of mine danced with . . . me, and that's it. She's a good dancer who has worked hard with a coach for years, but the place was chock-a-block with women in their 20s and 30s, wearing backless outfits and short skirts, while my friend is 77 years old and dresses fairly conservatively. The vast majority of leaders were not subtle about their preferences. So, it benefited her that we were in touch before the milonga and I verified that I'd be there – her words to me afterward were that I "saved her evening."

I think leaders tend to be a little deaf to this experience, but they're not immune. If you've never experienced this, you're fortunate.
 
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. . . there were more leaders than followers this one time, and the followers were friends with other leaders but not with me, so I barely danced.
BTW by friends do you include those you know on the dance floor but not off it? That is you seen each other regularly or semi regularly and danced sometimes or not danced at all.

My experience with in local scene:

1. More leaders than followers: 75% of the time.
2. More leaders than followers and not friends with me: 20% of time.

With #2 I will at least dance one or two tandas. Or 4 to 5 if I wanted (walkceo/talkceo).

When visiting another town/city/country I don’t know anyone. Only at two small milongas (less than ten people) it happened that it felt like I am invisible. I still danced at least one or two tandas. To me that was like a loss.
. . . all the other leaders were teachers, performers, visiting masters, etc., and I was by comparison the "terrible leader," so I barely danced.

Hmm this hasn’t happened yet to me. If I leave the festivals aside, max of above category in one milonga that I ever seen is hmm may be - total of 10. But there were were another 20-30
. . . the leader-follower and skill-level demographics were dead average and nothing special, but the entire place was full of cliques who didn't know me, so I barely danced.

If you dance so much and for so long can there be any milonga in your scene where you are really not known? You may not have danced with them but certainly it is highly impossible no one at the milonga hasn’t seen you before.

There are milongas like you described except the cliques would constitute only 50%-60% of the dancers (high clique ratio for me) and the rest are average too. I can still dance 2 or 3 tandas if I wanted but I would consider it a waste.

Stacking the deck with even one reliable partner immunizes you against these fates. I prefer insurance, so I aim for more than one.

I don’t know who will show up. I hardly get to coordinate. Most of the time there always are at least two or three reliable partners. Not necessary they are enjoyable to dance with to make going to milonga worthwhile. My general distribution on a good night is 1 to 3 “really enjoyable” tandas, 4 to 6 “average” tandas, 1-2 “non satisfying” tandas. Tandas that I would categorize as “enjoyable” and “suffering” are hit or miss. If a hit they would be 1 to 2.
 
BTW by friends do you include those you know on the dance floor but not off it? That is you seen each other regularly or semi regularly and danced sometimes or not danced at all.
Just plain "friends" in this case, so everyone in either category.
My experience with in local scene:

1. More leaders than followers: 75% of the time.
Here it's "far, far more followers than leaders close to 90% of the time."
Hmm this hasn’t happened yet to me.
We have a few cliques of advanced dancers who sometimes act as junior teachers, and they sometimes plan events mainly for their friends. I somehow get invited despite being on the outside, possibly due to the fact that I do stack the deck and my presence will bring paying tangueras with me.
If you dance so much and for so long can there be any milonga in your scene where you are really not known? You may not have danced with them but certainly it is highly impossible no one at the milonga hasn’t seen you before.
I should've been more precise: "cliques who have some vague idea who I am because they see me around all the time, but who don't turn that into acknowledgement of my existence."
 
I should've been more precise: "cliques who have some vague idea who I am because they see me around all the time, but who don't turn that into acknowledgement of my existence."
They exist everywhere. They don’t acknowledge existence of rest of the milonga attendees than those that know :) May be it is mark of being “true” tango dancers :D

On serious not I find this behavior more peculiar in Tango community. I wonder if it is learned. Other dance communities have cliques too but at least they will acknowledge you.
 
My experience is that tango friendships happen more with those you meet in the classes than with those you meet at milongas.
This is usually at the beginning of the tango time, where most people stop straight away, especially without any social contacts. Friendships can also evolve later, but it is more complex and usually requires some resources. At least that you carpool or meet up for events and workshops, perhaps organize shared accommodation.

I just got asked by a tanguera - whose campervan I once stood next to at an event - whether I would like to come to a campsite for a few days in the summer. When we visit the capital's milongas together, it's less about fearing "total losses" than about taxi costs, safety in the metro, and going out to eat together, other amenities.

Regardless, I prefer to be largely independent on the milonga itself. So I only make dates with dancers with whom I would dance a tanda anyway. Well, if in the end these are three tandas for social reasons, that's fine with me too.
 

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