What Is Tango Doing Right/Wrong: Recruiting and Retaining

I'd like to present a slightly different view: that one of the main problems is that there wasn't a proper, relatively uninterrupted continuity, in that the music and dancers did not continue developing and evolving together due to political changes and changing tastes, from around the late 50s to the late 80s when tango became popular again.

What's happening now seems to be a transitional period where people and the music are trying to adjust to each other, trying to move together and ahead, trying to reconcile the 30, 40 years differences in essentially everything.
 
That's not entirely true! But it only concerns the period since the codification. The codification itself is never questioned. Ballroom students (narrow sense) and aspiring BR dance teachers repeat it uncritically.
What is to question? The purpose of the codification was not to retain authenticity or serve as some sort of a historical documentary. The purpose of the codification was to make it easier to teach, learn, and export these dances on a popular mass scale. In that effort, it was a wild success. That focus on easy learnability and portability remains a big part of the "soul" of Ballroom to this day, and is why the era of codification is pointed to as the "origin" of the style.

Examples include the dance names Bolero and Rumba, which are simply wrong. When someone does stylistic or musicological research —and I come from the BR world— the same sources are always cited.
They only appear "wrong" because you are skipping half of the full names. They are American Bolero, American Rumba, and International Rumba. Might as well toss International Samba in there, since that, I think, is the greatest nomenclature "offender." In any case, the modifiers make it clear that these dances are distinct from the Spanish tradition of Bolero, the Cuban tradition of Rumba, and the Brazilian tradition of Samba. Inspired by them, yes, but not continuous branches of the same lineage.

As soon as you think independently and clarify terms, your path to becoming an association official is blocked!
Lol, definitely not.

That said, behaving as a gadfly and insisting that everyone around the world rename the American Rumba because the name is "wrong" could definitely get you blocked. But that's because this behavior is an indicator that you can't collaborate well with others, not a black mark on the intellectual integrity of the organization. Every teacher and longtime dancer I've met is well aware of the "inauthenticity" of the ballroom dances relative to their names, as well as the inspirational origins of them. Those facts even appear as material on some of the teacher certification tests.

That's not my point. I'm working on the dance sport organizations and the BR dance teachers' association. Your parents and grandparents tradition is fine.
Our parents and grandparents initially learned from the same teacher's associations you deride. Or, at most, they learned at one remove, from someone who learned from that body. If their dance tradition is "fine," then your complaint about ballroom teachers' associations doesn't hold water.

Dancesport is a totally different animal. Go ahead and complain about that; there's nothing social about it, and it cares even less about authenticity than the social scene. But stop claiming that dancesport is inseperable from social ballroom.
 
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..Go ahead and complain about.. there's nothing social about it, and it cares even less about authenticity than the social scene. But stop claiming that dancesport is inseperable from social ballroom.
You're probably mistaken. I know BR socials very well. I've been going there every Sunday afternoon for many years since I was 16. Later, I even organized dance school-wide socials in a public space. And I even was there when my coach at the time developed the "World Dance Program" and tried to implement it in affiliated dance schools. It doesn't get more "social ballroom" than that!
 
Our parents and grandparents initially learned from the same teacher's associations you deride.
My 93 year old mother and her siblings took lessons at Arthur Murray in NYC. Mom remembers taking the Staten Island Ferry to get to the other side. I have no idea where my grandparents learned. My guess is my mother's parents learned at the same Arthur Murray they sent their kids. Evidently, their favorite dance was "The Peabody". But she learned the various ballroom dances in the American style.

(It's clear Mom did not enjoy dancing. She always complained her much younger sister got to take horseback riding lessons-- dressage to be specific. Mom she described the dressage lessons as "useful" and the dance ones as useless. We sort of laugh at that.)
 
. And I even was there when my coach at the time developed the "World Dance Program" and tried to implement it in affiliated dance schools. It doesn't get more "social ballroom" than that!
How does the term "World Dance Program" run at dance schools imply "social"? With that title it might social; it might be competitive. In fact, if it's a "world" program it sounds more likely to be competitive. I don't go to "world" social events. I go to local social events and socialize with friends and acquaintances and dance with them. I don't need people from "the world" to show up to chat, eat, dance and socialize!
 
..if you accept the American social tradition of ballroom as legitimate ("your parents and grandparents are fine"), then you are essentially saying here that you know my culture better than I do..
Oh, I don't want to presume to judge your specific experiences and the traditions of your parents and grandparents. I didn't mean to give that impression. (But the brain never stops.) I read posts here, and I recognize some things from my own national dance tradition, which is strongly influenced by the English iSTD. So, from the many reports and comments here in the forum, a certain picture already did emerge. American Ballroom was a new style for me, one I actually knew very little about it before. And you, in particular, are my source of insider knowledge regarding the Smooth and Rhythm styles. Thanks to your detailed answers, I've truly come to appreciate the American style. My own insider knowledge is limited to the national German organizations ADTV (affiliated with the WDC) and some DTV (affiliated with the WDSF).
I would also like to note that I like your phrase "parents and grandparents." As a German (born 1957), I never saw my parents dance. When WWII ended, they were 17 years old. My father was drafted shortly before the end of the war, but fortunately, the war ended shortly before the end of his very short training program. My parents didn't dance at all, but my grandparents did. My parents' younger siblings came under American and English influence and learned swing, or more precisely, Jive and the Jitterbug.
 
How does the term "World Dance Program" run at dance schools imply "social"? With that title it might social; it might be competitive. In fact, if it's a "world" program it sounds more likely to be competitive. I don't go to "world" social events. I go to local social events and socialize with friends and acquaintances and dance with them. I don't need people from "the world" to show up to chat, eat, dance and socialize!
It's just a title. The idea was supposed to be implemented worldwide and anchored as a structure within the WDC. But after the deaths of the two inventors (one was my trainer), the idea faded away within the WDC. In Germany, the program is being maintained. It includes 1) cooperation with schools to introduce as many young people as possible to the world of ballroom. 2) instruction in initially eight dances (i.e., excluding quickstep and slow fox). 3) the opportunity to practice these dances socially at weekly in-house parties. 4) advanced courses in other non-competitive fashion dances. 5) metal examinations.
In summary, it's an organizational principle for the operation of affiliated dance schools. Keep in mind, there are no franchise chains in my country. We've adopted the English association system with its bureaucratic structures.
 
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It's just a title. The idea was supposed to be implemented worldwide and anchored as a structure within the WDC. But after the deaths of the two inventors (one was my trainer), the idea faded away within the WDC. In Germany, the program is being maintained. It includes 1) cooperation with schools to introduce as many young people as possible to the world of ballroom. 2) instruction in initially eight dances (i.e., excluding quickstep and slow fox). 3) the opportunity to practice these dances socially at weekly in-house parties. 4) advanced courses in other non-competitive fashion dances. 5) metal examinations.
In summary, it's an organizational principle for the operation of affiliated dance schools. Keep in mind, there are no franchise chains in my country. We've adopted the English association system with its bureaucratic structures.
Of the five things the do, only weekly in house socials sound specifically social. Did they have snacks? Did these exist for adults? Or children only?

The rest -- like "cooperation with schools to introduce as many young people as possible to the world of ballroom" could be social, or it could be entirely competitive. Metal exams sounds not very social

Weekly or bi-weekly socials are pretty much what exists around here. Many are organized by studios that cater to social dancing. Club dances are danced socially in bars. However, bar floors are often too small for foxtrot, waltz and so on.
 
The rest -- like "cooperation with schools to introduce as many young people as possible to the world of ballroom" could be social, or it could be entirely competitive. Metal exams sounds not very social
In my area you choose to take the intro classes as college credits so you can take different levels of different dances. So a lot of young people at Oregon State University get into Cuban salsa and Swing dancing via this mechanism. Their ballroom program is also pretty amazing and community folks I know that are not in school rave about them even if they are slightly older because they can also get to access it. They are mostly pass or fail, but some advanced level classes also learn an old school routine. For tango, I’ve met a lot of young folks at studio classes and milongas that started with classes like tango dance - Athletics, Fitness, & Outdoor Programs - Reed College but schools also develop special programs around the music like Tango Music Institute
 
Assuming midpoint of GA to be 1948 and say youngest participant was say 20. By 1990s they would be already in 60s. Those that had been dancing for say two decades during the GA would be 75ish by 1990s.
One of the reasons they are referred to as "milongueros viejos." <g>
 
Far less of those from GA were probably active compared to the mew dancers that entered during the tango revival of 80s/90s.
Well, yes, but maybe depending on whether you were living in BA or not. But, yes, the originals were dwindling in number. However, since they were considered references and teachers, you only needed a few of them to instruct a generation of new dancers. There was no need for a one-to-one correspondence between them and the new crop of dancers.
 
And that's precisely the fallacy. The group of people you're referring to has rediscovered tango. There's no continuity. Everything is documented in the interviews María Plázola conducted with the old milongueros before her death. I've posted the links here a dozen times.
Can you post them again, please? I seem to have missed them. However, I still say that there was no need to "rediscover" tango since it had been danced continuously in BA all those years. You seem to be implying that there was nothing happening between 1960 and 1990 in BA with respect to tango, which is obviously not the case. The dance may have been "rediscovered" by a new generation of people who had been raised on rock music but tango was still around them, they simply chose to ignore it. It's more a question of popularity. Tango didn't simply die out between these years, which is what you seem to be implying.
 
Can you post them again, please?
I will (currently not at home).
...You seem to be implying that there was nothing happening between 1960 and 1990 in BA with respect to tango..
I went to university to study in 1976. I enjoyed eating lunch at the tables where the porteños sat. I asked every new student about tango. (I'd always been interested in tango, especially since I owned a bandoneón.) This allowed me to get an idea of the situation. The topic of tango was extremely polarizing. Some were outraged, others disgusted, most were uninterested. Tango wasn't dead! The outraged considered tango a way to approach a prostitute. The uninterested knew tango as their parents' dance, danced at family gatherings or at sports club socials. A public milonga scene seemed not to exist.
 

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