Englighten me, Please...

[chanchan]

OK, so the passage from 2:30-2:45 was random to you.

Not exactly. The only reason why I mentioned that passage is that it includes only one instrument at a time, so it is easier to analyze.
Just like the rest of the video, it has some steps in the music and some steps out of the music, I think that globally the dancers are a little too much out of the music to consider it a decent dance. After all, I also think they had no intention to follow the music, and their primary goal was showing a specific set of steps to the class.
I did my best to be objective and talking about facts, excluding any consideration about style, beautyiness, or anything else that be considered personal opinion.

But the bottom line is, it was just a demo of a move at the end of a class.

This is what I am repeating since the beginning...
I am astonished by so many people defending the musicality of a demo at the end of a class...
I am pretty sure that if you ask to that dancers, they will agree that they was out of the music.

 

[dchester]

Not exactly. The only reason why I mentioned that passage is that it includes just one instrument at a time, so it is easier to analyze.
Just like the rest of the video, it has some steps in the music and some steps out of the music, I think that globally the dancers are a little too much out of the music to consider it a decent dance.
I did my best to be objective and talking about facts, excluding any consideration about style, beautyiness, or anything else that be considered personal opinion.

This is what I am repeating since the beginning...
I am astonished by so many people defending the musicality of a demo at the end of a class...
I am pretty sure that if you ask the dancers, they will agree that they was out of the music.

To be honest, I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing your personal opinions. We all have them, and as long as we are not being rude or making snide remarks, there's nothing wrong in expressing them. Of course, we won't all agree on various aspects, but that's the nature of art.

 

[chanchan]

To be honest, I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing your personal opinions.

There is nothing wrong, but in that case there would be nothing strange in the answer "it is random to you"

 

[Dave Bailey]

Right, I've had a look at the video again now.

You are right, that's why I told we shouldn't discuss about their dancing ability until we can see them dancing, or at less trying to dance.

Whilst the dancing is not particularly musical, it doesn't seem to be off the beat, and there are occasional nice musical touches - for example, at around 1:11 - 1:14.

Considering this is supposed to be a demonstration of a step, improvised to the track, and not a showcase performance, it seems OK to me.

So you think that, for example, this dancers should choice another track, or Derecho Viejo can be good for them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9fpCj5hY_U

I was thinking more neo tango, or possibly even non-Tango music.

I'm not a big fan of soltadas, but I'm OK at them, simply because I've done so many of them in other dance styles. But I don't think they really work well most of the time in AT.

Of course, to the beat, to the melody, to anything you want.. but it must be somewhere in the music, not just in your imagination!

As I said, they seem to be pretty much on the beat, and show some musicality, which is sufficient in those circumstances.

Shrug.

 

[Dave Bailey]

(A good example of hearing things in pauses is Led Zeppelin's "Fool in the Rain." Listen to the repeated ascending notes that are the backbone of the instrumentation. I almost guarantee you'll hear "notes" where there are none.)

Oooh, inspiration for next Sunday's playlist

 

[chanchan]

Right, I've had a look at the video again now.

Whilst the dancing is not particularly musical, it doesn't seem to be off the beat, and there are occasional nice musical touches - for example, at around 1:11 - 1:14.

This is true, there are occasional nice musical touches, in addition to occasional steps on the beat, but I expect a dance to be something more than occasional musical touches. And music by Di Sarli can be danced in improvisation without the need of a great skill. Some other kinds of music are more challenging...

Anyway, considering this is supposed to be a demonstration of a step, I don't expect a real dance, so it is ok to me as well.

I was thinking more neo tango, or possibly even non-Tango music.

I'm not a big fan of soltadas, but I'm OK at them, simply because I've done so many of them in other dance styles. But I don't think they really work well most of the time in AT.

Did you watch the video that I linked?

 

[Peaches]

Oooh, inspiration for next Sunday's playlist :smile:

Oooh, you're making me jealous. Dancing to LZ? I should be so lucky!

DH has always said that the better he becomes as a musician, the more he hears in silences. I find that fascinating.

 

[chrisjj]

Surely only in the USA could dancers so bad be considered fit to teach.

He has clearly not been to any top tier tango festival in US.

Meaning there you've found equally bad dancing from overseas teachers?? Or what???

 

[chrisjj]

And, furthermore, a broad inflammatory statement to the effect that all dancers in the US are "that bad" is out of line

Good then that no-one made any such statment. In case you're in doubt, please read what I actually wrote rather than misquoting me.

 

[Mladenac]

DH has always said that the better he becomes as a musician, the more he hears in silences. I find that fascinating.

I like this quote.
Who is DH?

 

[bordertangoman]

Oooh, you're making me jealous. Dancing to LZ? I should be so lucky!

DH has always said that the better he becomes as a musician, the more he hears in silences. I find that fascinating.

now you have to read about Miles Davis; he was always pushing his musicians to do less and feel when to do anything ( except for one guy who would be holding down the groove against which the other musicians could work..)

 

[Peaches]

I like this quote.
Who is DH?

Dear (or damned, on some days) husband.

 

[Peaches]

Good then that no-one made any such statment. In case you're in doubt, please read what I actually wrote rather than misquoting me.

Do you have actually have any specific criticism of the dancing you see in the video or not?

 

[dchester]

Do you have actually have any specific criticism of the dancing you see in the video or not?

I think he is confusing this forum with Tango-L. It's more common there to make inflammatory posts backed up with nothing.

 

[bordertangoman]

Did you watch the video that I linked?

I did: i just wonder why you think this would have them better for them to dance to?

I agree with Dave Bailey that soltadas work better with slow nuevo pieces like Viz Sin Lubi by narcotango