Having problems with my wife dancing with other men

I'm not at the point of doing any moves or embellishments where my groin is contacting my follower (even with my GF). And quite frankly, knowing her, I suspect my 'experienced' GF probably wouldn't appreciate me doing moves that involves any 'groin contact' with any other follower.
Everybody has their comfort zone, but be aware that I'm not talking about "grinding" here . . .

As you progress in classes, you'll be exposed to stuff like spiral leg wraps, where the wrap occurs during a twist of the leader's body that causes the follower's point of contact to ride up from low thigh toward the groin. You'll learn overturned ganchos, where the back of the follower's thigh stops in contact near the leader's groin.

You do not need these movements to dance tango. However, if you keep taking lessons, you'll run into them regardless – flash sells – and be asked to practice them with a rotation of partners (pandemic permitting). The objective of the contact is to guide or stop the movement of an unweighted leg, not to cop a feel. In fact, done right, the contact is barely perceptible because the leg is unweighted and its momentum has been checked.
You might find that your own perspective and attitude changes as you dance more.
See above for two examples of why it might.
The dancers are generally ok with touch that isn't escalating towards sex.
In the words of my coach, "If you're uncomfortable with contact involving body parts typically kept out of contact, tango might not be the right dance for you." She's a yoga and Pilates instructor who has taught movement disciplines her whole adult life. She doesn't hesitate to get hands-on and say, "This, not that."

I've inherited that attitude, and now see all body contact in tango in terms of "What movements does this contact enable? What physically unsafe movements does this contact help block? How does this contact make my dance faster, more stable, smaller, cleaner, etc.?"

I'm not living in Sodom and Gomorrah over here. If anything, my attitude is questionable because it's so clinical at times . . . I find it hard even to see the non-technical facets of contact in tango these days. But that attitude seems to be one that new dancers find difficult to believe exists.
 
I just stumbled upon a video on fb that shows the optimum for my taste. Unfortunately (especially for my dance partners) I am nowhere near as good at dancing as these two and I don't perform, so I prefer mostly close embrace.

⭐️Valeria Solomonoff & Iakof Shonsky⭐
Valeria is one of the Argentineans based in New York City teaching Argentine tango. When they were with us, she danced with Carlos Gavito & Omar Vega (R.I.P.). Few are as good at dancing as she.

Lakof, from Georgia (the country) is a relative newcomer to NYC, and was the founder of a tango school.
 
The question now becomes; "Are we okay with someone else enjoying our loved-one in a sensual way?" For many, that's a tough question to answer or accept (as in the case of couples struggling with one who dances and the other who doesn't).
OK. But you've belabored this point repeatedly and you're not going to get an answer here. You are asking the wrong questions (I'm not sure you're even asking a question) in the wrong place. If a couple is "struggling," that's something they need to work out for themselves separately from the reality of the dance. Also, the way you express the situation is one where you turn the "loved one" into a passive object for someone's enjoyment. I think you yourself need to resolve these issues on your own or with your girlfriend or wife. Sometimes it sounds like you want us to give you a reason to limit with whom she dances and who you dance with as well. We can't do that for you.
 
I just stumbled upon a video on fb that shows the optimum for my taste. Unfortunately (especially for my dance partners) I am nowhere near as good at dancing as these two and I don't perform, so I prefer mostly close embrace.

⭐️Valeria Solomonoff & Iakof Shonsky⭐
Love Valeria (I've studied with her, although briefly) and was at their performance, which was lovely. Largely modern dance with a lot of tango flavor but not the kind of social dancing I'm engaged in. She's also a choreographer who uses tango in modern dance and she's done a number of solo pieces and duets that involve tango in a nontraditional way. She's a fine dancer. By the way, Valeria knows how to dance socially quite beautifully. ;-)
 
OK. But you've belabored this point repeatedly and you're not going to get an answer here. You are asking the wrong questions (I'm not sure you're even asking a question) in the wrong place. If a couple is "struggling," that's something they need to work out for themselves separately from the reality of the dance. Also, the way you express the situation is one where you turn the "loved one" into a passive object for someone's enjoyment. I think you yourself need to resolve these issues on your own or with your girlfriend or wife. Sometimes it sounds like you want us to give you a reason to limit with whom she dances and who you dance with as well. We can't do that for you.
You seem to read-into my post more than it needs to be, and I don't need anyone to give me a "reason" for anything, let alone a reason for me to control 'who' my GF dances with, doesn't dance with, or what she does in her life. In fact, it's clear you've been following my posts, so you should know I have encouraged her to dance with others and she has encouraged me.

I have discussed this topic on other threads, so let me clear that up; I did not ask questions that need to be answered, they are hypothetical in relation to the first post of this discussion.

A couple may not be "struggling" prior to the topic of one wanting to dance and the other not, or isn't receptive to the idea, which then causes the couple to struggle with that, as in the case of the original poster. I put my post in a way that 'rationalizes' these feelings felt by people outside of tango.

Time and time again, the topic of how tango oftentimes 'reveals issues' between couples comes up, typically by dancers giving their thoughts on it, as if 'issues' existed prior to tango, when many times they don't. It's dancing tango that becomes an issue.

That said, I dance at a popular studio in Southern CA, and there are a lot of great leaders and followers there, and none of the leaders pose even the slightest threat to my relationship, including even the most 'suave' dancers, who are oftentimes instructors. None. And conversely, I will not give my GF any reason to 'doubt' or have trust issues with me, or engage in any behavior that's too 'sensual' which is another point of my post. My intent, once I'm at that skill level, is to leave the real "good stuff" for my GF.

Unlike many dancers, tango isn't the only thing I do, albeit as a beginner-intermediate. My life is filled with many things, and I'm not carrying the weight of life's struggles as many tango dancers do, with tango as their escape.

I will say this, not many men I know outside of tango would be okay if their loved one engaged in dancing as intimate, or embraced in a 'sensual' CE for the length of a tanda, and most women in a loving committed relationship wouldn't want their guy doing it either.

I get it, people in tango don't have problems with their loved one or partner dancing with others, and neither do I. But, I want certain things in my relationship with my GF to be sacred and shared with only us, and us alone. Read into that as you may, but I'm a 'mans-man' who cherishes my relationship with my GF, as she does with me. And after I did the research, I still made the choice to dance tango, and so far, so good.
 
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Everybody has their comfort zone, but be aware that I'm not talking about "grinding" here . . .

As you progress in classes, you'll be exposed to stuff like spiral leg wraps, where the wrap occurs during a twist of the leader's body that causes the follower's point of contact to ride up from low thigh toward the groin. You'll learn overturned ganchos, where the back of the follower's thigh stops in contact near the leader's groin.

You do not need these movements to dance tango. However, if you keep taking lessons, you'll run into them regardless – flash sells – and be asked to practice them with a rotation of partners (pandemic permitting). The objective of the contact is to guide or stop the movement of an unweighted leg, not to cop a feel. In fact, done right, the contact is barely perceptible because the leg is unweighted and its momentum has been checked.
Actually, I've done a few of those moves you described, but only with my GF, with the exception of a follower in a class one time who did the leg-wrap on me (unexpectedly), then did a couple more throughout the class.

I will say, I suspect you're quite the accomplished and 'suave' dancer if you're able to get followers to respond to these moves you lead. (I'm thinking you'd be a great teacher, or are you one already?)

Frankly, I'm looking forward to learning to lead those steps you mentioned that my GF already knows how to execute.
 
That said, I dance at a popular studio in Southern CA, and there are a lot of great leaders and followers there, and none of the leaders pose even the slightest threat to my relationship, including even the most 'suave' dancers, who are oftentimes instructors.

Of course they don't, the good dancers are there to dance and there are plenty of singles around if they want to do some dating on the side... that's the whole theme of this thread.
 
Of course they don't, the good dancers are there to dance and there are plenty of singles around if they want to do some dating on the side... that's the whole theme of this thread.
That's true, and I already know 'who' some of the 'suave players' are who make the rounds to the local milongas, and I already knew they were before my GF said anything about them. Let's just call it men's intuition.

One is a fairly well-known instructor, and hosts his own milonga at another studio, who is partnered with one lady now, and my GF just introduced me to his 'ex' (another well-known instructor) a couple nights ago when she showed up at our home studio who also said she'd like to dance with me the next time I'm at the milonga.

And before she met me, my GF has danced with this one particular 'player' quite a bit over the years, along with another one, who has become my 'buddy' all of a sudden. Either way, I'm not threatened by any of them, and I'm okay with my GF dancing with them. I actually like the latter since he's a very likeable fella with a friendly personality, has danced with my GF the last couple times we've run into him, and has even offered to give me (and my GF) some free lessons.

I will give them that, they're excellent dancers, and I'd like to be able to dance like them at some point, but I am also learning the 'intel' on who's who in the zoo.
 
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If a couple is "struggling," that's something they need to work out for themselves separately from the reality of the dance.

This. I am one of the people who keeps saying that tango itself has nothing to do with making/breaking a relationship, but I am not denying that we there is a lot of relationship drama.

I think that one of the reasons we see a lot of relationship drama especially with beginners is not because dancing is bad for their relationship, but because social dance is something that struggling couples pick as a romantic activity to do together when they are struggling - and spending time together in a somewhat stressful situation - especially when their level of interest is not the same - usually does not fix the underlying problems but makes them very obvious. I am especially wary when i see a new couple in the community where one of them has very obviously little interest, and the other is really excited. I don't think that social dancing is all that great a pick for spending more time / sharing a hobby with a partner when that is intended to help re-inforcing a weakened relationship. Social dance has viciously imbalanced learning curves for leaders and followers,and there is no space to hide your lack of skill and/or interest, and especially at the beginning everything feels mercilessly public.
 
This. I am one of the people who keeps saying that tango itself has nothing to do with making/breaking a relationship, but I am not denying that we there is a lot of relationship drama.

I think that one of the reasons we see a lot of relationship drama especially with beginners is not because dancing is bad for their relationship, but because social dance is something that struggling couples pick as a romantic activity to do together when they are struggling - and spending time together in a somewhat stressful situation - especially when their level of interest is not the same - usually does not fix the underlying problems but makes them very obvious. I am especially wary when i see a new couple in the community where one of them has very obviously little interest, and the other is really excited. I don't think that social dancing is all that great a pick for spending more time / sharing a hobby with a partner when that is intended to help re-inforcing a weakened relationship. Social dance has viciously imbalanced learning curves for leaders and followers,and there is no space to hide your lack of skill and/or interest, and especially at the beginning everything feels mercilessly public
I agree with this. I might also offer this slightly different slant on it:

Dance will not cause relationship problems, but it will expose every problem that's already there.

(I believe @JournalInTime often says something similar)

For example. My main coach does significant business in preparing betrothed couples for their wedding dance. Sometimes they are more successful with the dancing and sometimes less. But coach claims that she can usually tell just from those lessons which marriages are likely to be successful and which are likely headed for disaster. And this is in an environment where you don't even have the drama of partner switching to complicate things.
 
Dance will not cause relationship problems, but it will expose every problem that's already there.

(I believe @JournalInTime often says something similar)
I say that all the time because I lived through it.

My ex was not and is not a bad person, but we met at a time when I was going through a major crisis: I was 19 and had lost two sisters in rapid succession (one when I was 18, one when I was 19). I was also embarking on a tough degree program that kept me in the lab and up all night. My parents were forced to step back from life to confront the loss of children, and then there was the usual distancing people suffer when death is in the air, so I had a shaky support network at a time when I needed a lot of support.

My ex was someone who had – due to family problems – more or less raised her younger brother. Her parents weren't bad people, but nobody's life is perfect. Anyway, this defined her relationship with men of about her own age as "parental." It's a common consequence of what psychologists call "parentification."

You can see what happened next, right? Her parental attitude met my need for parental support. Our whole relationship was based on her seeing me as being in need of being looked after. That meant it started with an inherent imbalance of power, because parents make decisions for children . . . and that's how it went in our marriage.

As I said, my youth basically ended at 18 because I had to confront death, so I was deprived of the usual period of messing around – at first by depression and losing myself in academic work, then by being in a relationship. So, I never got to ask, "What do I seek in a partner?" I already had one, and was committed to them. I sort of assumed that lopsided control was normal.

I had moments of doubt, when I was the sole income earner for many years and yet wasn't in control of anything but the taxes and utility bills. When I voiced that, I was gaslit. Specifically, I was told I was creating it in my head because I had a psychiatric problem caused by emotional trauma at a young age. It seemed to fit my depression at times, so I accepted it.

Then tango lessons happened.

I soon realized that assuming the leader role, inviting women to dance, and so on were not things I was equipped to do. In stepped my partner, who proceeded to tell me how to dance, with whom, where, when, etc. If she saw me getting along too well with someone she didn't like, she "protected" me by getting in the way.

That got increasingly stressful for me, but I was ill-equipped to understand why. Then tango partners started to mention what they saw: "Are you happy letting someone else call all the shots in your life like that?", "What do you mean you're crazy? Who told you that? You're fine!", etc. Then my father died, I had therapy, and it all came to light. Separation and divorce followed very quickly, largely guided by therapy that showed me that the relationship was unhealthy.

But it was tango and tango people who cast the light on the problem before therapy gave me better tools (and proved I wasn't crazy). Afterward, so many dancers told me similar stories. To this day, I have tango friends whose link to me isn't that we dance together, but that we lived through similar situations. In each case, tango was not the cause of new problems but a spotlight on existing ones.
For example. My main coach does significant business in preparing betrothed couples for their wedding dance. Sometimes they are more successful with the dancing and sometimes less. But coach claims that she can usually tell just from those lessons which marriages are likely to be successful and which are likely headed for disaster. And this is in an environment where you don't even have the drama of partner switching to complicate things.
Yeah, my coach does and says the same. In fact, she sometimes let slip her feelings about specific couples learning wedding choreos. Given that she isn't a doctor, lawyer, priest, or whatever, I don't think that's the worst thing ever. I think couples kind of need to know that, to be honest.
 
I don't think that social dancing is all that great a pick for spending more time / sharing a hobby with a partner when that is intended to help re-inforcing a weakened relationship. Social dance has viciously imbalanced learning curves for leaders and followers,and there is no space to hide your lack of skill and/or interest, and especially at the beginning everything feels mercilessly public.
I don't disagree with that as a generalisation, but after over 40 years of 'fighting' together over moves on various 'dance' floors, just say it's not universally applicable. Although we do see other couples struggling as you say.
 
I don't think that social dancing is all that great a pick for spending more time / sharing a hobby with a partner when that is intended to help re-inforcing a weakened relationship.
To paraphrase a couples therapist, the only way to fix a weakened relationship is to talk frankly and without judgment (that last part is hard, and keeps therapists employed), and to make not grand gestures and great sweeping changes, but rather tiny adjustments in every part of life. "Let's take lessons in something together to help us stay together" is only a slightly less horrible idea than "Let's have a child to help us stay together" if it's all you're doing. It can be part of a major game plan, but it can't be the plan.
Social dance has viciously imbalanced learning curves for leaders and followers
Yeah, and they're very squiggly curves that constantly cross each other. In fact, they're not even curves in the usual sense, but hyper-surfaces in some madness-inducing n-dimensional space, which interpenetrate in all kinds of headachy ways.

The more I dance, the more I think the best approach is "He takes his tango journey and she takes hers, and they make a promise to be extra-nice to each other when they cross paths." Insisting on progressing in lockstep is a bit like a swallow and a herring deciding to go for a nice walk in a swamp.
 

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