Single follower at Milongas (to risk or not to risk)

They, like me, are there to enjoy themselves, and I don't have any expectations of them cabeceoing me.
Again, it depends. Yes, it's not their milonga; they're out to enjoy themselves. They can dance with other maestros, or not at all, or whoever they choose. But maybe it's the studio's milonga; a showcase for the business; an intro to milonga for novice students. It's trickier when you're learning and the instructors don't show the way.

Maybe need to re-introduce that old AT tradition of Dame la lata, or the old dancehall 10 cents a dance.
 
Maybe need to re-introduce that old AT tradition of Dame la lata, or the old dancehall 10 cents a dance.
Paid dances and taxi dancers have been given an undeserved bad rap in tango.

I've had people give me a lift to/from a milonga, and pay my way in, with the unambiguous expectation that we'd dance more than a couple of tandas. Usually it ends up being 5-6 tandas.

When I worked as a barman at a milonga, I was sometimes over-tipped with the clear expectation that I'd dance with that person. It was the same few people each time, but it was a habit.

How are either of those really different? More important, if a Joe Average dancer like me receives such offers, surely a really good dancer like a teacher could clean up! But there seems to be some sort of stigma attached to both parties in such an exchange. I find it weird, given that paying the same teacher for lessons wouldn't be seen as gauche.

It's just weird what is and isn't acceptable for pay when no laws are being broken . . .
 
So should I be more bold or more patient? What do you think will pay in a long run?

I would say you to be more active, to test different options!

If there are several local milongas test many of them. The ones here in town are different, if the space is welcoming, informal your options are better. A small milonga is also more easy to access and to get tandas.

Sometimes the beginning or end of an event are more lucky. When the partner has not yet arrived but a tanda is a good one then you ask someone next to you!

Try to spot dancers who have been dancing for a couple of years! They can dance but are still open for unknown dances. If someone has been dancing for 10-15-20 years they have most probably developed clear preferences and have a tango burnout of some degree. So it is more difficult to get dances there.
 
I would say you to be more active, to test different options!
Active is good, in my view. The thing to avoid is "buzzing around" (as my partner would put it, "ne sois pas une mouche"). If you're going to invite, either use a firm gaze from afar or – if verbal invites are fine for you – walk up from afar, ask, and then either dance or leave. But it's the kiss of death to kind of loiter nearer and nearer by, hinting but not asking. That gets very annoying very quickly.
A small milonga is also more easy to access and to get tandas.
That's regional. Here, your odds at the smaller milongas would be poor, because small milongas are small due to being the domains of cliques that don't open up much. Big milongas are hotbeds of "What the heck!" invitations shot across a room in a moment of clear sightlines. People know that in a chaotic mob, if a tanda doesn't work out, they're unlikely to be spotted being uncomfortable while dancing among 50 other couples three lanes deep, and they'll have a crowd to hide in afterward.
Try to spot dancers who have been dancing for a couple of years! They can dance but are still open for unknown dances. If someone has been dancing for 10-15-20 years they have most probably developed clear preferences and have a tango burnout of some degree. So it is more difficult to get dances there.
That's regional, too. Most of the more liberal inviters here are very, very experienced. They can dance with anyone – and while they are burned out a bit, it isn't with tango but with the same partners. So, if a new face shows up, they're happy to see them and capable of dancing with them.

The cliques are mostly based not on experience, but on wealth and appearance . . . the "young, hip, sexy" clique, the "semi-retired with two incomes and money for tango tourism" clique, etc. They won't dance with you, but it has little to do with your or their level of experience. You have to meet entrance requirements based more on how you look, who you know, and what kinds of bragging you can do.
 
TA_RA you have a lot of experimenting and exploring to do! :D

How is your tango scene and the young/experienced members?
Is it alike the Canadian JournalIntime or my Nordic versions, or you maybe have some unique options!

(you maybe could use this as an icebreaker to learn to know the experienced members with information! :) )
 
To be clear: When I said "regional," I wasn't speaking for all of Canada, Québec, or even Montréal . . . I was talking about "the popular, established milongas in the central and immediately adjacent neighborhoods of Montréal." I've been to milongas in West Island, Rive-Nord, Rive-Sud, etc. around Montréal; they aren't like I described. Those in the rest of Québec also feel different. Those in the rest of Canada feel really different. Big cities of millions are for most purposes separate countries for tango.

Though my limited travel experience tells me that if you're a lone dancer, the novelty of your presence will win you tandas almost anywhere. I have walked into random milongas in small U.S. and Canadian cities – towns, really – and had more trouble taking a break than finding a dance partner. Not because I'm good, attractive, or throwing around money, but because I'm a novelty.
 
Though my limited travel experience tells me that if you're a lone dancer, the novelty of your presence will win you tandas almost anywhere.
My experience is men seem to have no trouble, but I have often seen visiting ladies (both in my little area, and when I have travelled) struggle to get dances, particularly the first dance. It doesn't seem to, but I think the thinking should go like this: "There is a new lady I have never seen before. She has the right uniform (knee length dress, Tango shoes). She seems to know the codigos. She looks to be in good shape. She has the confidence to show up as an unknown at a Tango event. She obviously likes Tango. It seems like there is a good chance she is an above average dancer and it is worth risking the last 2 songs of a Tanda with her."
 
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The steps down the road to perdition in their mind likely goes like this:
dancing Tango --> paying someone to dance Tango --> lap dances --> prostitution.
My own thinking wasn't that extreme, but once in the Tango culture I realized it is much less sexy than the movies imply.
I find those steps just . . . wild. That's because of what you said afterward. My first few years of tango were characterized by changing areas that smelled like feet, coming home covered in sweat and studio dust, routine bouts of frustration leading to nearly quitting, and barely contained grumpiness at myself and at partners over things not working. By the time I was comfortable going out alone, inviting random people to dance, etc., all the "sexy" had been beaten out of it. At this juncture, I'd see a paid dance or a taxi dancer as something akin to anger-management therapy to avoid giving up in frustration, and nothing more.
I have often seen visiting ladies (both in my little area, and when I have travelled) struggle to get dances
That could be. I confess to having a leader's perspective. When a leader shows up to a place that has too many followers, it's seen as a good thing . . .
I think the thinking should go like this: "There is a new lady I have never seen before. She has the right uniform (knee length dress, Tango shoes). She seems to know the codigos. She looks to be in good shape. She has the confidence to show up as an unknown at a Tango event. She obviously likes Tango. It seems like there is a good chance she is an above average dancer and it is worth risking the last 2 songs of a Tanda with her."
I've recently danced with several tourists (mostly from Eastern Europe, which is odd in Canada) just because they were sitting there and I'd never seen them before. If you're a strictly local dancer like me, and rarely go abroad to dance, dancing with visitors provides much of the fun of tango tourism at a fraction of the cost. ;)
 
My first few years of tango were characterized by changing areas that smelled like feet, coming home covered in sweat and studio dust, routine bouts of frustration leading to nearly quitting, and barely contained grumpiness at myself and at partners over things not working.
It occurs to me that this, too, might be far from universal. If you got into tango by some alternative route, you might look at it differently. I could totally see that affecting your confidence (or lack thereof) to attend milongas alone.

I got into tango at a drill-heavy tango studio that rented out space to fitness, stretching, and martial-arts classes, and that hired professionals in movement disciplines – not only tango, but also other dance, Pilates, Essentrics, etc. It felt like a near-athletic activity. As I arrived via this route rather than a cultural one (native or adopted), I have a pragmatic, not romantic view of tango. Dim lights and nice music notwithstanding, I can't un-see most milongas as being set in locales made for teaching, drills, and practice, which removes any mystique that might remain to intimidate me.

Then I think about people who arrived via the cultural route, and who therefore attach importance to who sits where, invites whom, dances how many tandas with who else, and so on. That could be intimidating to a lone dancer. I don't quite run roughshod over that stuff, but I've never been very conformist or conservative, and I wouldn't choose my cut-loose-after-work leisure activity as the place to start!
 
My question is... Should I just be patient and keep on attending and wait till more people know me and my dancing abilities and start asking me dancing more regularly or whether I have a right to walk and verbally ask a guy to dance with me? I tried to search for guys visually and perform cabeceo, but they all seem to pretend not to notice my attempts.

So should I be more bold or more patient? What do you think will pay in a long run?
It depends where you are dancing. If you're dancing at a very traditional milonga in B.A., I'd say wait until they get to know you or see you dance a bit. If you're in North America or Europe, you can be a bit bolder in your actions. I'd keep trying to catch someone's eye so they cabeceo you; I'd do that before asking directly even if it takes longer. Maybe chat with people from time to time to break the ice and let them know you are there. If you can find one person to dance with you and the others see that you can dance well, things should get easier after that. Really depends a bit on the local scene by you.
 
If you got into tango by some alternative route, you might look at it differently.
There are many routes, and many personal issues, not forgetting imposter syndrome. Whilst I don't wholly subscribe to the old codigos, they had the advantage that you knew the rules - except role-based rules rightly changed.

My advice remains: observe, socialise and ask questions, socialise by group lessons, get to know who's hosting the milonga, don't leave it too long. If that's the only game in town, maybe you've got to get in; if there are alternatives, maybe they're better. And what can you lose if you're not getting dances and ask verbally? Maybe that's not a good, welcoming, club to join.
 
No, quite opposite. I really like old fashioned, more traditional Milongas with mature people. Younger people dance in open embrace and they concentrate a lot on fancy moves. I am looking for more depth on all levels. And I really like close embrace. It allows me to achieve a state of flow in a matter of seconds. Even dancing Milonga and Waltz in CE with occasional breaks is much much more fun as I can feel what a Leader wants to do by the movement of his ribcage.
In that case, you probably don't want to dance with most of your current dance partners in a year or so. And in two years you just won't do it anymore. It gets you down as they struggle and try to get their steps right. You're just not in the same boat.

The intimacy of tango dancing causes otherwise existing protective barriers to be pushed outwards. So try to understand those who are reticent.
 

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