Tango obsession/addiction

Here, a nutrition expert shares his opinion on how to get into a position to correctly classify manipulative information and free yourself from your acquired eating addiction, into contentment. And the number one thing is connection, with real people, face to face, eye to eye.
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I think if you dance tango, then you are already in a very good position, dancing "eye to eye" or not. Even if the striking rarity of obesity in the tango community may follow completely different mechanisms. :nurse:
 
Reminds me of the 10 C-words of motivating forces by Burkhardt:

control,
competence,
congruence,
caring,
connection.
change,
challenge,
creative expression,
contribution,
and consciousness

Also very applicable to the joys of tango and why we feel so motivated to dance.
 
I think if you dance tango, then you are already in a very good position, dancing "eye to eye" or not. Even if the striking rarity of obesity in the tango community may follow completely different mechanisms. :nurse:
Funnily enough, people at milonga avoid eye contact :D esp the women. Perhaps due to cabaceo and not wanting to be asked. Only a few will make an eye contact and smile.

At other social dances eye contact is very common. Far more common than in milonga.
 
Interesting article. Being European but having lived longer in the US than outside it, and a big chunk of time in the Deep South, AKA the Bible Belt, in a state where abortion is not allowed, I recognize the very puritanical aspects in the article.

Specifically related to tango, I have also witnessed some obstacles new tango dancers have had to overcome, with respect to, for example, touch - especially if they are non-minorities and non-immigrants, admittedly not a huge a percentage of my tango scene there. In some ways the tango scene is a reprieve from that stifling restrictive puritanical society.

Maybe tango recruiting efforts should attempt to address the social and connection aspects more than the sexy flashy wow aspects.
 
Funnily enough, people at milonga avoid eye contact :D esp the women. Perhaps due to cabaceo and not wanting to be asked. Only a few will make an eye contact and smile.

At other social dances eye contact is very common. Far more common than in milonga.
It's a really interesting observation.

I suspect that it's because on how cabeceo is thought, and personally I've been guilty of this for quite some time at the beginning

1. Look around for people's eyes.
2. See someone looking at you and you want to dance with ?
3. If yes make a gesture/nod if not look away and start again, go to line 1
............

The above process can lead to this kind of behavior in milonga's.

In order to make it more clear for me I started to focus more on the initial eye contact and maintain it until 'I see you see me see you' before making the gesture/nod.

Benefits:
- it's more clear if the person in question actually wants to dance with me
- people no longer look uncomfortable at a passing glance with me

Cons:
- eye contact is particularly difficult for me and working on this has been quite stressful
 
and maintain it until 'I see you see me see you' before making the gesture/nod.
That's the way I was taught, but so rarely a practical option in today's milonga environment. There's also that wait, or persistence, in the choice of person you wish to dance with, which is also rare.

But when, in that setting, there are easier, more affirmative ways, people will use them. A 'glance' may be interpreted as a request or seemingly ignored.
 
I agree. Half of American adults are single. That's a huge market. Imagine a poster. It's a picture of a local milonga. The caption is "Hold me in your arms." I think it would draw attention.
This reminds me if the Dietrich quote: Sex. In America an obsession. In other parts of the world a fact.

Even avoiding it has become an obsession with added motivation in some places!

But I do feel that could play badly to the AT stereotypes. Nevertheless lack of contact and loneliness are seen as increasing and significant problems. Social AT can fill that void, which I guess was an early motivation for milongas and partner dance.
 
In some ways the tango scene is a reprieve from that stifling restrictive puritanical society.
Never have truer words been spoken! At an AT event, nobody blinks at people hugging each other, even off the dancefloor. I can invite a total stranger to hug me and entangle legs with me for 10-12 minutes at a time, and nobody thinks anything of it. Try that in the street, even here, where we have kissy-kissy French culture nothing like the Bible Belt.
Maybe tango recruiting efforts should attempt to address the social and connection aspects more than the sexy flashy wow aspects.
Agreed. This is why I'm not fond of excessively conservative views of AT culture, which attempt to impose too many codes and too much structure on the interpersonal aspects of the dance. I think it's intelligent to impose rules on the technique, floorcraft, and vocabulary of the dance, because not having those aspects under control can be physically dangerous. However, I firmly believe that the place where tango could use some help is in being open to a wider range of social expression, becoming less macho, less cliquish, and above all less pretentious.

Last night at the milonga, I invited several people who were clearly on the "outside" of the cliques. We had a good time. We smiled and laughed. It was not "constipated-looking prince leads prim princess wearing a broomstick in an uncomfortable place," but, "goofing around to tango music." This and not show tango is what's going to save tango. AT needs to become a lighter dance that swaps some gravitas for amusement, not a crazier dance that swaps some safety for flash.
 
...This and not show tango is what's going to save tango. AT needs to become a lighter dance that swaps some gravitas for amusement, not a crazier dance that swaps some safety for flash.
I am anything but a tango policeman. But your post forces me to take the role. You sacrifice the soul and risk the essence of tango. Tango is not hustle, lindy hop, salsa, milonga or samba. Accept a range of theatrical drama, presented in exaggerated poses and flashy acrobatic lifts on the one hand and sad, melancholic retreat from the world into the middle lane of the ronda on the other.
 
I am anything but a tango policeman. But your post forces me to take the role. You sacrifice the soul and risk the essence of tango. Tango is not hustle, lindy hop, milonga or samba. Accept a range of theatrical drama, presented in exaggerated poses and acrobatic lifts on the one hand and sad, melancholic retreat from the world into the middle lane of the ronda on the other.
You want to save tango even if you have to admit a little change to do so?

You can add stage vocabulary, as you suggest, to draw in people with flash. This is not a little change but a colossal one – most of that vocabulary comes from outside tango, and isn't found in the "soul and essence" of the dance, which is a walking hug danced "four feet on a baldosa." Nearly all stage vocabulary demands more athleticism than the majority of ordinary, non-dancing humans can manage, so you'll mostly attract people with the right physical makeup for stage moves, not the right mental makeup to learn and stick with tango.

You can reduce the often affected social drama blamed on the history and culture of tango – the false tears, long faces, formal airs, and weird social codes. That is a tiny change, because nobody seriously believes that milongas weren't for the most part dance parties and basically for fun through the years. Participation demands nothing more than the desire to make friends, which pretty much all humans have built in.

Bet on whichever option you like best, but I'd bet on the second one. I don't think tango suffers from a lack of flash to impress newcomers. I think tango suffers from not welcoming newcomers socially. The problem isn't the dance but the dance culture. The light already burns brightly and colorfully enough, and doesn't need to be brighter or more colorful; it's just that it burns behind some sort of scrim or smoked glass designed to subdue it and hide it from outsiders.
 
Accept a range of theatrical drama, presented in exaggerated poses and flashy acrobatic lifts on the one hand and sad, melancholic retreat from the world into the middle lane of the ronda on the other.
Where similar has been tried, e.g.DWTS/Strictly, Dancing on Ice, it hasn't gone well. Would-be participants are rapidly disillusioned because of the level of athleticism required. It's necessary to be a 'dancer' first to break the 'rules'.
I think tango suffers from not welcoming newcomers socially. The problem isn't the dance but the dance culture.
Yes. Perhaps one reason why it has attracted a greying generation. Attracting males to dance remains the big problem. In younger years and other times, perhaps the alluring presence of females, but there are easier options now. Maybe it does need that social allure of people to talk to, of food (the Tea Dance?), that grand Palm Court setting (e.g.Scent of a Woman) with live orchestra and people sat around, or just the social bar space which also provides a dance space.

And, of course, the milonga - as discussed at length elsewhere. So stuck in their view of 'tradition' and 'rules' that it frightens people away, or welcoming.
 
It's necessary to be a 'dancer' first to break the 'rules'.
Precisely!

That's one of my coach's mantras. She regularly reminds me that I see tango from the perspective of 11 years of intensive training, practice, and milonga attendance. She had me add it all up once as an eye-opener – and yes, it's classroom and lesson time best tallied in hundreds if not thousands of hours, and floor time best counted in thousands if not tens of thousands of hours, plus some teaching experience, that turned me, someone who isn't a "natural dancer" with amazing grace, flexibility, speed, etc., into a dancer. Plenty of things that now seem easy to me would be witheringly difficult for a non-dancer.

And it's definitely non-dancers we're talking about – not dancers from other styles. I actually ask people about their dance backgrounds. For every dancer who says Latin, or swing, or whatever, there are 8-10 who tell me that AT is their first and only dance. Tango contrasts so starkly with other dances in many regards that as often as not, it draws people who are turned off by other styles and never try them. I'd wager that at most milongas, the majority of dancers dance tango and that's it, aside from the 4-6 people in 100 who dance the evening's one salsa set.

We cannot wisely hang tango's future on non-dancers learning athletics. Never mind lifts and such . . . a lot of leaders around me can't even pivot in place without stumbling. Asked to lift their free leg to prove they've transferred weight fully, they wobble.
Attracting males to dance remains the big problem.
Huge. And interestingly, they're not the ones drawn to stage tango. Stage tango classes here struggle to find men. At the risk of sounding sexist or old-fashioned: Stage tango appeals to the "princess fantasy" still socially programmed into girls by Western society, and most men find the corresponding male roles lack, um, masculinity. It's a battle.
Maybe it does need that social allure of people to talk to, of food (the Tea Dance?), that grand Palm Court setting (e.g.Scent of a Woman) with live orchestra and people sat around, or just the social bar space which also provides a dance space.
The social allure is vastly overlooked. A big part of it is that AT transplanted outside of its home culture always seems to take root in dance studios that smell of sweat and shoes. There's no equivalent – at least where I live – of a little bar, confitería, or other neighborhood hangout where I can show up any time during business hours to grab a coffee, snack, or drink, and dance with other patrons to tango music that's playing all day.
And, of course, the milonga - as discussed at length elsewhere. So stuck in their view of 'tradition' and 'rules' that it frightens people away, or welcoming.
Yes. One of the women who's fast becoming a favorite person to invite pointed this out just last evening: "People really need to learn to smile and have fun." The secret codes and furtive stares might unite those in the know, but they alienate everyone else. It's the social version of "you have to be a dancer first": If you're already into tango, you might find it charming, even fundamental to the dance; if you aren't, you're just going to find it dire.
 
The social allure is vastly overlooked. A big part of it is that AT transplanted outside of its home culture always seems to take root in dance studios that smell of sweat and shoes. There's no equivalent – at least where I live – of a little bar, confitería, or other neighborhood hangout where I can show up any time during business hours to grab a coffee, snack, or drink, and dance with other patrons to tango music that's playing all day.
I knew of one location in London which once had AT, but had swing last time I was there. It's actually a restaurant, club and hotel in a former grand financial institution. People were happily sat around watching swing dancers. Even the occasional diner participating with family..

The more pleasant places I've been to in Europe frequently featured a bar, snacks and a pleasant evening (and not having to drive). Some even with dining. Once danced at a restaurant in the Netherlands. Sadly it closed as a restaurant to allow AT for the evening. Ireland offered a dance floor in a pub - which still functioned as a pub for the evening.

Not the 'dance studio' here. Maybe a pleasant village or church hall. On occasions (e.g. Sunday afternoons) tea, cake or more are provided. But usually space is too small with inadequate seating and tables.

I was recently asked by a novice couple about coming to the milonga. Attendance and mood varies depending on the competition and those attending. The only advice I could offer was to go with friends from class for support and people with whom you can dance. A too 'traditional' milonga with people insisting on codigos could put them off (it happens, but if you're confident you can ignore them as others do). That social aspect really is required, but the issue seems to be the places that are affordable that can't be more profitable with their key nighttime economy selling point. I suspect they wouldn't find an evening of social AT too attractive as a business prospect.
 

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