You are not a fan of pauses, but you want to dance Pugliese?That's exactly the opposite of what I want to do with this music!
To dance it you need much more than holding a beat.
What makes a waltz a waltz for you?
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To dance it you need much more than holding a beat.
I meant waltz music in general.
OK, and what about the music I mentioned (Pugliese's version of Desde el alma)?
Would you prefer dancing it with pauses, without pauses, or sitting down?
It is true. Actually, his style is usually considered the most difficult to dance.
Let me guess, if the answer is different from what your preference is, then you will claim it's wrong.
BTW, while there are lots of tempo changes in that version, IMO there is only one place in that song (@ around 2:15) where there is a true pause in the song. One could just as easily do a calesita, or something (rather than a pause) there, so it's certainly not true that someone must do lots of pauses in that song.
It's about preferences, feelings, how it inspires people. There's nothing wrong with doing lots of pauses if that's how it inspires you, but it's not wrong or invalid if it is not done. It's also been my observation that people tend to do a lot less pausing in vals than in tango.
Subliminal
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You know, to be honest, I don't think I've ever heard that version played in a milonga. Your point is taken, that pauses can be used in vals if the music is appropriate, but it seems music that has pauses in it are the outliers. The bulk of vals music (that is played for dancing, not for listening) seems to be sweepy, flowing, and continuous.
Some people play that one for birthday dances around here. No clue why that is, but it's a nice version of that song. When it slows down, it has more of the mood of a tango (than vals), which is why I suspect people are more likely to do pauses, than in most vals.
Yes... it seems to me that there are retards in the music, but not actual pauses. So the movement might slow and maybe even hang suspended in a way, but I wouldn't call that a pause. Ironically, the movements in tango that would to me be the most "pausing" and an interruption of flow are the same movements that don't have that suspended feeling (to me).
In my mind, a pause is a STOP. Whereas a feeling of being slightly suspended is more like going up the hill on a roller coaster and having that brief moment when the motion changes from rising and pulling the coaster up one side to having it freefall down the other side. It never stops, it just has to get over the hump.
The Pugliese version I listened to has quite a few "humps", but I wouldn't call them pauses.
(disclaimer.. I'm not talking about "rise and fall" as commonly seen in ballroom waltz involving the way one uses their knees on different beats of the 1,2,3 phrase... ie: in ballet, balance' is down, up, down)
That is my experience as well.
Well... actually with "pause" I always mean a very slow movement, usually suspended, maybe with some embellishment. A real stop for more than a pulse, inside the song, would be awful in tango as well.
In Italy it is very popular.
Angel HI
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1- the vals timing, rhythm, and styling is actually quite unmistakable. There is really no room for interpreting whether it is a vas or not.
2- its origins are actually the Boston Waltz, and yes, what persons might consider as VW steps may be danced very well in a vals. Remember that these are movements, and if they fit the rhythm, timing, and styling of the dance, then so be it. Do not not dance them because someone else has "defined" them as BR, Euro, or some other BS.
3- pauses, etc are for the most part beat/music driven, but may also be interpretive. Remember that the dancer is not the musician, and will hear/interpret the music differently.
2- its origins are actually the Boston Waltz, and yes, what persons might consider as VW steps may be danced very well in a vals. Remember that these are movements, and if they fit the rhythm, timing, and styling of the dance, then so be it. Do not not dance them because someone else has "defined" them as BR, Euro, or some other BS.
3- pauses, etc are for the most part beat/music driven, but may also be interpretive. Remember that the dancer is not the musician, and will hear/interpret the music differently.
bordertangoman
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that's the one where you end up swimming in the harbour?
bordertangoman
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for a vals with a nicely elastic tempo try Quiero Ser Tu Sombra (Vals) by Trio Garufa its great fun;
not them but at least you get to hear it
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