Why some women are not asked to dance

But what I don't understand is why the frustrated people are still in the scene if they're having a lot of negative experiences?
They maybe still have hope that it will turn to be ok one day.

Yeah, the frustration around you can sometimes be a tough thing! Those times I tend to focus on tandas with a small group of core followers and then go home.
This has been my usual way to cope with the situation around me. I have stopped dancing only when the medical treatments were too tough some years back.

(There was a strange combination with my account name and Maria SAOs statement.)
 
I naturally make friends primarily with the people I dance with, which I guess gives me a layer of personal insulation from all of this

But what I don't understand is why the frustrated people are still in the scene if they're having a lot of negative experiences?
Hope springs eternal.
 
Tango is a serious drug. So even if you know it will will be frustrating, or painful or bad for you, you do it anyway. :D

But seriously, one of the reasons is that it offers instant community and company that you dont have to organize yourself. Whenever you go to a milonga, there will be a group of people to have a chat and a drink with, and it is a safe space.

I think that if people are frustrated on a regular milonga, most of the time the dominant dance school is at fault. For not encouraging friendly, inclusive and supportive environment from the beginning. People are people, but they will also look up to and copy what their teachers are doing. There are some very reasonable things to complain about.

If i dont dance with my favourite leader because we are both sitting and waiting for music that we like, but the dj never plays it, thats our problem for being special snowflakes. Or if on a festival i have many nice tandas, but i cannot get that one with the mysterious new stranger. :)

But if people travel, and come back to their home milonga, and feel the need to voice their frustration, i dont mind.
 
But what I don't understand is why the frustrated people are still in the scene if they're having a lot of negative experiences?
There is a great book,

Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience.

One of the author's points is that compelling hobbies are not too easy or too hard, and offer progressively more challenge. Hmmm, sounds like Tango, doesn't it? As an example, games are very well designed for this. If the game is too easy, you quickly lose interest. If it is impossibly hard, you lose interest. In the middle is where you fail many times, but succeed often enough to keep going. Once you have conquered one challenge, there will be a new challenge.

Other reasons I have seen people stick with Tango:
  • It is their social network
  • Do it with romantic partner
 
Women sitting together celebrating something or drinking, in a festive mood, are scary and I always stay away from them.
On one occasion, I went to Gricel with a female friend, and she was assigned to a table of 6 women, 4 of which were celebrating something like a birthday, drinking wine, joking etc.
My friend told me that every time one of the group of 4 women, danced with a guy, upon returning to the table, the group, laughed and made fun of him, and precluded or dissuaded the 5 others in the group from ever dancing with that guy at least for this night.
Something similar could happen if the table were composed of 3, 4 or 6 men.
No, I've never seen anything like that. I can only imagine this with tourist groups where the situation is getting out of hand and they strive to get a hot evening for themselves in an aggressive way, possibly with taxi dancers.
Here the teaser of an organizer for trips to BsAs:
https://www.sashacagen.com/tango/three-tangasms/
 
..but I will not take a chance with groups like that.
I have pointed out very often in this forum that learning tango is not about the dance steps, but about social learning in the first place, Skrappy@tango. My home community integrates the strangest types, e.g. people who are not musical, people who smell of mothballs and asylum, people who show up in a Mercedes SL convertible, and many more... But all of these people have learned the basic lesson of tango: we respect each other in our individuality. This is Codigo No. 0, in other words, the prerequisite for Tango! And, how did you learn tango? Where have you been, when Codigo no 0 was taught?
 
I have pointed out very often in this forum that learning tango is not about the dance steps, but about social learning in the first place, Skrappy@tango. My home community integrates the strangest types, e.g. people who are not musical, people who smell of mothballs and asylum, people who show up in a Mercedes SL convertible, and many more... But all of these people have learned the basic lesson of tango: we respect each other in our individuality. This is Codigo No. 0, in other words, the prerequisite for Tango! And, how did you learn tango? Where have you been, when Codigo no 0 was taught?
But what if @Skrappy@tango is not even in this community with it's Codigo No. 0?
 
Tango is a serious drug. So even if you know it will will be frustrating, or painful or bad for you, you do it anyway. :D
Truth. I've danced achy, injured, physically tired, etc. (though never sick . . . that's inconsiderate). Twice after surgery, I was told to wait for time T and managed maybe 60% of T. So I find easy to imagine people who come to the milonga psychically injured, mentally tired, or right after a bad experience for the ego.
I think that if people are frustrated on a regular milonga, most of the time the dominant dance school is at fault. For not encouraging friendly, inclusive and supportive environment from the beginning. People are people, but they will also look up to and copy what their teachers are doing. There are some very reasonable things to complain about.
That lines up with my experiences. I went a few rounds trying to convince one school (where I had part-time work) to move toward greater inclusiveness. I was told that exclusiveness was what sold the dance. Well, they weren't wrong . . . I've seen it too often to deny it, even if I dislike it intensely.
If i dont dance with my favourite leader because we are both sitting and waiting for music that we like, but the dj never plays it, thats our problem for being special snowflakes.
I confess to doing the "If the DJ plays X, we dance!" thing. My values of X aren't what DJs here like to play – more than one DJ has told me that the most energetic D'Arienzo and dramatic, complicated Pugliese "encourage bad behavior on the floor," and also, "Who the heck even knows who Salamanca and Varela are?" So there are evenings where that promised tanda never happens.
Other reasons I have seen people stick with Tango:
  • It is their social network
This is huge. It's hitting me like a ton of bricks right now.

Here, March 6, 2021 marked the first anniversary of all in-person tango events being closed indefinitely due to pandemic. In the lurch, I've realized that tango was in equal parts my main physical activity, my main antidote to mental stresses, and my "third place" away from work and home, where my social life resided. Without tango, I don't have much of a social life (it's a complicated story, but in brief: I got separated, ex-wife turned non-tango friends against me, I retained tango friends, I rebuilt my social life there).

I think that even if tango events resumed tomorrow and were always horrible, I'd still go to see friends.
I have pointed out very often in this forum that learning tango is not about the dance steps, but about social learning in the first place
That'll depend on how you learn and what you're seeking.

I'm a structured thinker who likes a puzzle, so for me, learning tango – in classes and lessons, group and private – was about the movements (though I'd hesitate to say "steps"). Dancing tango – at the milonga – was indeed a social learning experience, as my previous remark underlines. I don't consider the latter to be "learning tango," though of course one's learning does continue through doing.
 
I'm not playing "guess the date" because it's a moving target where I live. On one hand, they're talking about most people being vaccinated before the end of 2021, and things reopening in earnest around then. On the other hand, my military friends say they've been told to think more in terms of summer 2022. And on the third hand, our prime minister claims they've stepped up the pace. So . . . "I'll believe it when I see it."
 
Tango is a serious drug. So even if you know it will will be frustrating, or painful or bad for you, you do it anyway. :D

But seriously, one of the reasons is that it offers instant community and company that you dont have to organize yourself. Whenever you go to a milonga, there will be a group of people to have a chat and a drink with, and it is a safe space.
A safe space - really?

When I started with Tango I was told that it takes about four years for leaders to become "proficient". I conclude that many beginner leaders will not really feel safe (outside of their cordon of acquaintances) for the first years.

For beginner followers - ok, that's different. This can happen in fast motion - but it still needs a suitable environment, much trust, openness and also time. Time that you won't sacrifice at a milonga, but we're in Corona times and living room tango.
Yes, she is quite dominant in her job and may try to lead back, but I'll handle that with technique.
Yes, her tallness is an issue in romantic relationships, but it will be very pleasant for me to steer her long legs across the floor.
I also explained to her that in a close embrace she has practically no chance to protect her upper body, that her chest, every breath, every tremor will be perceptible. And that, in theory, she can protect her legs, but doesn't have the technology to do it. And after a while she likely will only feel the endeavor to follow the best possible way so as not to be kicked out of her flow.
That she can still break off at any time, because I am not equally involved by more routine.
She might not have been completely convinced beforehand, but she was able to process the upcoming quite well...
 
Safe space, yes. I feel safe on a milonga in a way i would not feel safe in a club or a bar around 4 am, you know? It is not a place where ive ever been groped or harassed, never had anything stolen from my purse.

Maybe there are some milongas that are less safe somewhere, this is just my experience up to date.
 

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