Englighten me, Please...

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Subliminal

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Well, etiquette dictates that the men are supposed to catch them. So, really, it doesn't involve any practicing at all! The men have to learn to catch them...for the pigs...er, followers...er, pigs...it's perfectly natural and there's nothing they need to work on.
You forgot one thing! Any attempt to teach the piggies will forever taint their ability to take flight. It is the duty of every pig to remain pure and chaste of mind until called upon. If they start to (heaven forbid) think or show initiative, who knows what could happen.
 

Zoopsia59

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You forgot one thing! Any attempt to teach the piggies will forever taint their ability to take flight. It is the duty of every pig to remain pure and chaste of mind until called upon. If they start to (heaven forbid) think or show initiative, who knows what could happen.
They might turn into Cows!
 

fascination

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Makes sense. Most forums have similar "No criticisms of individuals" rules. It's just common sense really.

However...

(Hopefully I won't get infracted for this) Would it be possible to either edit the FAQ to add this policy in, or post it and any other guidelines as a sticky?

After all, some of us (me included) have occasional failures of common sense.
thank you dave...I realize that what is more commonplace in the rest of the forum is a bit less so here and we are always open to tweaking how we have worded things to make it clearer...and again, I echo larinda's request that those suggestions are very welcome in the staff mailbox
 

JohnEm

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for the record...we have a policy here of not criticizing particular individual's teaching or character b/c they may not have access to this forum and likely do not know they are being questioned/maligned and therefore have no opportunity to speak to it...henceforth...it is IMPERATIVE that you leave off particular identifiers when referring to a specific instructor...you can talk specifics via pm...but doing otherwise in the public is gossip whether true or not, in that even if true, it is unverafiable b/c the person is not here...it won't be tolerated...and further incidedents will involve infractions...questions on this policy will also not be made in the forum without involving infractions...questions may go to the staff mailbox...
Fascination, I'm mystified here.

You seem to be implying that no-one can discuss the openly stated opinions of a teacher or teachers? This is the AT section and there are as many opinions as there are people on here. I think it's perfectly reasonable to mention and constructively discuss such outspoken and influential people in the world of Tango.

In this case Chrisjj/ChisUK has been very restrained compared to his posts elsewhere in other forums. I even have some sympathy for his opinion even if they are somewhat impractical. Perhaps we should have a thread about how Tango could be better taught in the modern age bearing in mind that today is not set in Buenos Aires in the first half of the 20th century.

Also it seems to me to a bit disingenuous to publicly rebuke a poster and then follow that up by stating that moderation issues should not be discussed openly in a thread. Maybe your rebuke would have been better in private? It would be more consistent.
 

Ampster

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<snippet>... has been very restrained compared to his posts elsewhere in other forums.
Which is just the point. This is not any other forum (like TangoL, etc.). We try to keep it peaceful and as respectful as possible. It is after all, our home.

btw, Welcome to DF! :D
 

fascination

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I will say one last thing on this and then I sincerely hope this thread can resume it's subject matter...as that is the only reason we don't debate moderation in the public forum....b/c it destroys the threads on which the issue takes place....my only reason for any public intervention was that it was brought to the staff's attention by an AT member (via the staff mailbox)and as I perused the thread I noticed an ongoing debate over what could and couldn't be said and merely sought to provide clarity, thus there was no intent to issue an infraction...I then stated a reminder that further questions regarding that should go to the mailbox, precisely so that this wouldn't happen...as you all know, most of the mod staff leaves the moderation of AT to the AT mods whenever possible....but a public answer to the debate(see my initial post WRT which debate) was provided for clarity...not as an intent to rankle or invite the dissection of the vagueries of our guidelines(that can be done via the mailbox where the flow on the thread will not be distorted)...staff is aware of the inherant pitfalls of both overly vague as well as overly specific guidelines...either way they are subject to the judgement at hand...I appreciate everyone's feedback and ask again that this thread resume it's topic lest more moderation that no one wants has to ensue...thanks
 
Fascination, I'm mystified here.
You seem to be implying that no-one can discuss the openly stated opinions of a teacher or teachers? This is the AT section and there are as many opinions as there are people on here. I think it's perfectly reasonable to mention and constructively discuss such outspoken and influential people in the world of Tango.
In this case Chrisjj/ChisUK has been very restrained compared to his posts elsewhere in other forums. I even have some sympathy for his opinion even if they are somewhat impractical. Perhaps we should have a thread about how Tango could be better taught in the modern age bearing in mind that today is not set in Buenos Aires in the first half of the 20th century.
Also it seems to me to a bit disingenuous to publicly rebuke a poster and then follow that up by stating that moderation issues should not be discussed openly in a thread. Maybe your rebuke would have been better in private? It would be more consistent.
I agree with the above post as they are my own thoughts also, and I am thankfull that someone could word it so well.
Perhaps, I'm warped but I always found Chris's posts on Tango-L very informed, thought provoking and frank. In my opinion, we should definately keep this guy around. The kind of polemic that he brings is fertile ground for something novel, both from him and other contributers to this forum.
Let's just relax, it'll work out:bkick:
 
Folks, for anyone under the same misapprehension as the moderator who in a PM to me today falsely charged that my posting above is "in violation of how we enforce the gossip policy on the forums which is to say we don't presume that specific persons who are not posting are watching and we don't allow anything to be attributed to them which is not verafiable by them as a liability issue and a matter of respect", note that my statements that these instructors had "just two years of dance experience" and "claimed they invented the profession of tango teacher" are completely verifiable - by anyone who cares to check the public record of the interviews given by the instructors themselves e.g.

http://tinyurl.com/yjecy8a
When I was sixteen, I wanted to learn to dance tango from my father, but, well, it wasn?t very successful. So when I was in my twenties, about 1981, I started studying with Rodolfo Dinzel.[...] start teaching. I first started teaching [...] in 1983.

http://tinyurl.com/yfv6j5k
We have invented a new profession: Tango teacher.

Thanks for reading.
 

samina

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note that my statements that these instructors had "just two years of dance experience" and "claimed they invented the profession of tango teacher" are completely verifiable - by anyone who cares to check the public record of the interviews given by the instructors themselves e.g.

http://tinyurl.com/yjecy8a
When I was sixteen, I wanted to learn to dance tango from my father, but, well, it wasn?t very successful. So when I was in my twenties, about 1981, I started studying with Rodolfo Dinzel.[...] start teaching. I first started teaching [...] in 1983.
however...although the dancer in question studied with one teacher for two years, he had far more dance experience than that, which is easily construed from the link you provided. in the interview, he states that he grew up around tango...
 
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