Leaders. How was your Tango journey?

Bailango said:
The way salon “style” was explained to me when I was first exposed to it was close embrace, no daylight, independent axis. Prior to that for almost a decade I was dancing close embrace, no daylight, lean-in, shared axis.
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You're using shared axis here to mean "apilado" I assume.
 
I think it doesn't work to define a style based off one parameter - they're combinations of parameters, although the choice of these combinations (and what music they're supposedly associated with) was somewhat arbitrary in the first place. we can't reduce it to just the embrace.

To zoom out a bit, how do you identify what dance people are doing? if theyre using mostly elements of embrace / vocabulary / technique / music associated with tango, spectators are generally going to identify it as tango even if one of the elements is non-standard. The more things are non-standard or associated with some other dance, the more people are going to identify it as fusion or some other style entirely.
 
Gssh said:
As a sidenote: One of the aspects of the "real" vs. "fake" lean discussions that is always a bit confusing to me is why the good dancers who do not lean are trying to create the illusion of a lean? But why is the looking like a bad dancer who leans preferable to looking like a good dancer who doesn't lean?
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Are you referring to the leader hinging forward at the hip? I don't know, I don't like it either aesthetically or functionally, and therefore don't do it.
 
If you take this clip of a tanda of a recent marathon (randomly popped up on my youtube feed):
I would say there’s elements of both milonguero/salon, but more on the salon side. Also some not that great floorcraft from the dancers in the middle. Same youtube channel has videos of other tandas as well.
Actually pretty good videos of an example of what social dancing of tango actually is to show to non dancers, albeit this is way more space than most milongas i’ve been in.
 
Gssh said:
...helped me when trying to work with/debug vocabulary: I am not talking about shared weight, but i am talking about the shared axis..
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Sorry, I have adopted this terminology, I meant force vectors.
Gssh said:
..i don't see the point of creating the illusion of a lean when i am not actually leaning.
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Sorry again, that was the teacher in me speaking. It was referring to those "dancers" who don't have trained core muscles and therefore can't do anything other than actually lean with a weight transfer when dancing apilado.
 
ArbeeNYC said:
You're using shared axis here to mean "apilado" I assume.
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Yes, but don’t want to give it a label. It was called apilado back then. I think there is stronger and more consensus on what apilado is than what salon is.

Mudial champs and people that have been places, I have observed generally perform and socially to dance with a some small daylight between them. Yes they can dance in other types of holds and embraces like any good tango dancer could. Their preference perhaps seems to reject no daylight hold/embrace.
 
Bailango said:
Yes, but don’t want to give it a label. It was called apilado back then. I think there is stronger and more consensus on what apilado is than what salon is.

Mudial champs and people that have been places, I have observed generally perform and socially to dance with a some small daylight between them. Yes they can dance in other types of holds and embraces like any good tango dancer could. Their preference perhaps seems to reject no daylight hold/embrace.
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I don't think I would personally use mundial champions as a guide for how to embrace someone. Our purpose and intentions are very different.
 
tangoing said:
If you take this clip of a tanda of a recent marathon (randomly popped up on my youtube feed):
I would say there’s elements of both milonguero/salon, but more on the salon side. Also some not that great floorcraft from the dancers in the middle. Same youtube channel has videos of other tandas as well.
Actually pretty good videos of an example of what social dancing of tango actually is to show to non dancers, albeit this is way more space than most milongas i’ve been in.
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Couple of people doing that open-hold thing I dislike so much. Other than that, mostly pretty traditional. Yeah, it's not a crowded floor.
 
tangoing said:
If you take this clip of a tanda of a recent marathon (randomly popped up on my youtube feed):
I would say there’s elements of both milonguero/salon, but more on the salon side. Also some not that great floorcraft from the dancers in the middle. Same youtube channel has videos of other tandas as well.
Actually pretty good videos of an example of what social dancing of tango actually is to show to non dancers, albeit this is way more space than most milongas i’ve been in.
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Why do they have to stick out their arses so much?
 
opendoor said:
One couple caught my eye. Apparently they dance at every marathon and at every milonga worldwide, as long as they are filmed. They dance double tempo and take up twice as much space.
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Would that be the guy in the grey pants and lady in blue? She seems to respond to what he leads and they appear to move together. Or do you mean some other couple?
 
lucia_l said:
Would that be the guy in the grey pants and lady in blue?
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Exactly this couple. I constantly compare myself and judge quickly. They are probably the only couple that I take seriously and that I feel challenged by. I am less interested in the meditative tango of the other dancers.
 
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